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Do you know if anyone has ever sued to either not pay taxes while not allowed to vote, or to be allowed to vote? Ye olde "no taxation without representation"?

TimorousBestie 1y ago
That’s not a real legal principle.
dylan604 1y ago
Why would they sue to not pay taxes? They make no money that would qualify as taxable, so they would owe no taxes on income not earned. Even people working part time on very low wages can make so little they do not owe. They still have to file though. Never considered if inmates have to file each year or not
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  there's all sorts of taxes and other impositions/obligationsthat don't require income.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    please enlighten me
    - 1oooqooq 1y ago
      property taxes, vehicle registration and insurance.
      - dylan604 1y ago
        someone serving time is going to be worried about vehicle registration and insurance? just claim it as "off road" with the state since it's obvious you will not be driving it. no need for insurance on a car that's not being driven. property tax might be an issue, but I seriously doubt it's a large percentage of inmates that need to consider it. all in all, nice stretch, but off topic really
jandrewrogers 1y ago
There is no legal principle in the US that couples taxation to the right to vote.
Terr_ 1y ago
Several issues here: 1. Declaration of Independence versus Constitution. Not the same in terms of legal weight. 2. You're implicitly combining "representation" with "voting." The writers of the Declaration of Independence believed (even if we dislike it today) that those are separate. You can tell because all their wives and daughters were still prohibited from voting for generations. 3. If what you're suggesting applied, then wouldn't that mean everybody who hasn't registered to vote, or noncitizens and those under 18--are all exempt from sales tax and income tax?

TimorousBestie 1y ago

That’s not a real legal principle.

dylan604 1y ago

Why would they sue to not pay taxes? They make no money that would qualify as taxable, so they would owe no taxes on income not earned. Even people working part time on very low wages can make so little they do not owe. They still have to file though. Never considered if inmates have to file each year or not

1oooqooq 1y ago
there's all sorts of taxes and other impositions/obligationsthat don't require income.
- dylan604 1y ago
  please enlighten me
  - 1oooqooq 1y ago
    property taxes, vehicle registration and insurance.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      someone serving time is going to be worried about vehicle registration and insurance? just claim it as "off road" with the state since it's obvious you will not be driving it. no need for insurance on a car that's not being driven. property tax might be an issue, but I seriously doubt it's a large percentage of inmates that need to consider it. all in all, nice stretch, but off topic really

jandrewrogers 1y ago

There is no legal principle in the US that couples taxation to the right to vote.

Terr_ 1y ago

Several issues here: 1. Declaration of Independence versus Constitution. Not the same in terms of legal weight. 2. You're implicitly combining "representation" with "voting." The writers of the Declaration of Independence believed (even if we dislike it today) that those are separate. You can tell because all their wives and daughters were still prohibited from voting for generations. 3. If what you're suggesting applied, then wouldn't that mean everybody who hasn't registered to vote, or noncitizens and those under 18--are all exempt from sales tax and income tax?