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I think you got things mixed up, open source projects survive because volunteers believe in them and want to contribute to them. Large companies rarely get invo

I think you got things mixed up, open source projects survive because volunteers believe in them and want to contribute to them. Large companies rarely get involved, occasionally with some funding. It sounds like they sold something to their donors they couldn't really guarantee – supply chain safety – and they decided to alienate their contributors to try to appease them. Only time will tell if this was really damaging to the ruby community or just a temporary hurdle

dewey 1y ago
Look at the core maintainers of Rails for example. Many are paid by Shopify and Basecamp, so it’s much more commercial than your regular open source project. Which isn’t a bad thing that people get to contribute on company time.
- khamidou 1y ago
  Again this is mixed causality. Rails did not take off because of commercial interests – besides dhh who was working on it on the side, all the initial committers were doing that for fun. Eventually they brought rails in many commercial companies and these companies succeeded to the point they could pay people to maintain rails.
  - stickfigure 1y ago
    However it started, there's a big hosting bill and somebody has to pay it.
    - khamidou 1y ago
      For sure – but maybe it doesn't have to be the side project of a non-profit whose main thing is RailsConf.
      - ryoshoe 1y ago
        To be fair to RubyCentral, this year's RailsConf was the last one they have planned, though it's likely that they'll shift focus to on RubyConf in its place
    - weaksauce 1y ago
      most of the hosting is donated for free outside of the influence of monetary donations.
  - dewey 1y ago
    Rails was built in a company to build commercial products so I’d say it had commercial interests from day one. > 37signals built Rails for Basecamp and has since used it to create all their web products. From: https://rubyonrails.org/foundation/37signals https://rubyonrails.org/foundation/37signals
- type0 1y ago
  of course Rails is mainly commercial gems and bundler is for everyone though, even hobbyists writing scripts. Alienating contributors who support common infrastructure for no good reason is just plain stupid especially when those projects wasn't theirs to begin with

dewey 1y ago

Look at the core maintainers of Rails for example. Many are paid by Shopify and Basecamp, so it’s much more commercial than your regular open source project. Which isn’t a bad thing that people get to contribute on company time.

khamidou 1y ago
Again this is mixed causality. Rails did not take off because of commercial interests – besides dhh who was working on it on the side, all the initial committers were doing that for fun. Eventually they brought rails in many commercial companies and these companies succeeded to the point they could pay people to maintain rails.
- stickfigure 1y ago
  However it started, there's a big hosting bill and somebody has to pay it.
  - khamidou 1y ago
    For sure – but maybe it doesn't have to be the side project of a non-profit whose main thing is RailsConf.
    - ryoshoe 1y ago
      To be fair to RubyCentral, this year's RailsConf was the last one they have planned, though it's likely that they'll shift focus to on RubyConf in its place
  - weaksauce 1y ago
    most of the hosting is donated for free outside of the influence of monetary donations.
- dewey 1y ago
  Rails was built in a company to build commercial products so I’d say it had commercial interests from day one. > 37signals built Rails for Basecamp and has since used it to create all their web products. From: https://rubyonrails.org/foundation/37signals https://rubyonrails.org/foundation/37signals
type0 1y ago
of course Rails is mainly commercial gems and bundler is for everyone though, even hobbyists writing scripts. Alienating contributors who support common infrastructure for no good reason is just plain stupid especially when those projects wasn't theirs to begin with