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> Find me anti-car advocates with 3 or more children. I easily could, but I have no interest in chasing ever-moving goalposts.

cyberax 1y ago
Well, duh. That's because I don't know any. And probably neither do you. And sure, humans are extremely diverse and adaptable, so you'll be able to find examples of any physically and logistically possible behavior. Eventually. But statistically? We both know that I'm right. The Netherlands (the bike heaven) has the total fertility rate of around 1.5 And even within the country itself, Amsterdam (North Holland province) is at the second-to-last place from the bottom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands#Total_fertility_rates_by_province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherland... And the highest fertility rates are in Flevoland and Zeeland that are about 3-4 times less dense.
- em500 1y ago
  Then how do you explain that Amsterdam, which is in Noord-Holland, is by far the largest city in Noord-Holland, and is far more dense and car hostile than the rest of Noord-Holland, actually has a higher TFR (1.43) than the rest of Noord-Holland (1.29 total, so lower for Noord-Holland ex-Amsterdam)?
- tecleandor 1y ago
  I barely know them. Not because they don't like bikes, but because in my country fewer than 1 in 10 households with children had 3 children or more. But my friend that has four children brings her kids to the school that's in front of my apartment, that promotes bike riding to school, and they even have a morning bike route that kids alone or with parents can join. (Yeah, they both work)
- lentil_soup 1y ago
  This is tiring but "correlation is not causation". Have you considered there's more differences between Amsterdam and the countryside besides cars?
  - cyberax 1y ago
    I lived in Amsterdam. And no, the main difference is the ability to use cars. It is THE difference that makes living great or terrible. Everything else simply pales in comparison, in the developed world.
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cyberax 1y ago

Well, duh. That's because I don't know any. And probably neither do you. And sure, humans are extremely diverse and adaptable, so you'll be able to find examples of any physically and logistically possible behavior. Eventually. But statistically? We both know that I'm right. The Netherlands (the bike heaven) has the total fertility rate of around 1.5 And even within the country itself, Amsterdam (North Holland province) is at the second-to-last place from the bottom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands#Total_fertility_rates_by_province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherland... And the highest fertility rates are in Flevoland and Zeeland that are about 3-4 times less dense.

em500 1y ago
Then how do you explain that Amsterdam, which is in Noord-Holland, is by far the largest city in Noord-Holland, and is far more dense and car hostile than the rest of Noord-Holland, actually has a higher TFR (1.43) than the rest of Noord-Holland (1.29 total, so lower for Noord-Holland ex-Amsterdam)?
tecleandor 1y ago
I barely know them. Not because they don't like bikes, but because in my country fewer than 1 in 10 households with children had 3 children or more. But my friend that has four children brings her kids to the school that's in front of my apartment, that promotes bike riding to school, and they even have a morning bike route that kids alone or with parents can join. (Yeah, they both work)
lentil_soup 1y ago
This is tiring but "correlation is not causation". Have you considered there's more differences between Amsterdam and the countryside besides cars?
- cyberax 1y ago
  I lived in Amsterdam. And no, the main difference is the ability to use cars. It is THE difference that makes living great or terrible. Everything else simply pales in comparison, in the developed world.
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