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you don't believe it why ? you look at American education system and you think it produces multitudes of talented engineers? is it so inconceivable that we ne

you don't believe it why ? you look at American education system and you think it produces multitudes of talented engineers? is it so inconceivable that we need a lot of smart people and we don't produce enough of them locally ?

Froztnova 1y ago
So let's have a thought experiment. We can agree, even if the US primary education system is crap, that the university system is world class. After all, people wouldn't come from other countries to study abroad in the US if it were not competitive. So our CS graduates take the same courses, study the same material, and pass on the same grading scales as these international students from countries like China, India, etc that have come to attend American universities. Therefore it seems unlikely that they are categorically incompetent due to a flaw in their education, even if we make some allowance for them not studying as rigorously as their international peers for whatever reason. However, if the news can be believed, we're now seeing a significant number of CS graduates who are unable to find employment. This is coming on the tail end of a bunch of highly publicized layoffs. The notion that there "Aren't Americans to do these jobs" just doesn't track. I'm sure that there are lots of corporate executives who are saying that there aren't enough qualified Americans to do these jobs, but they're saying that because it's in their best economic interest to say that, not because it's actually true.
- vasilipupkin 1y ago
  there are too many CS grads without experience who are not very good. We have world class universities, by no means that implies that every new CS graduate is world class. A median CS graduate most likely cannot pass a basic interview in CS
majorchord 1y ago
US is #2 on this list so I think it's safe to say they produce more engineers than most countries, other than Russia. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-engineering-graduates.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-...
- mattnewton 1y ago
  What is this chart and why isn’t China on it?
apwell23 1y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44854263 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44854263

Froztnova 1y ago

So let's have a thought experiment. We can agree, even if the US primary education system is crap, that the university system is world class. After all, people wouldn't come from other countries to study abroad in the US if it were not competitive. So our CS graduates take the same courses, study the same material, and pass on the same grading scales as these international students from countries like China, India, etc that have come to attend American universities. Therefore it seems unlikely that they are categorically incompetent due to a flaw in their education, even if we make some allowance for them not studying as rigorously as their international peers for whatever reason. However, if the news can be believed, we're now seeing a significant number of CS graduates who are unable to find employment. This is coming on the tail end of a bunch of highly publicized layoffs. The notion that there "Aren't Americans to do these jobs" just doesn't track. I'm sure that there are lots of corporate executives who are saying that there aren't enough qualified Americans to do these jobs, but they're saying that because it's in their best economic interest to say that, not because it's actually true.

vasilipupkin 1y ago
there are too many CS grads without experience who are not very good. We have world class universities, by no means that implies that every new CS graduate is world class. A median CS graduate most likely cannot pass a basic interview in CS

majorchord 1y ago

US is #2 on this list so I think it's safe to say they produce more engineers than most countries, other than Russia. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-engineering-graduates.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-...

mattnewton 1y ago
What is this chart and why isn’t China on it?

apwell23 1y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44854263 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44854263