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Also, there is quite a bit of money on the line, you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation: https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-com

Also, there is quite a bit of money on the line, you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation: https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-amid-a-pending-merger-for-nexstar/ https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-ami...

malfist 1y ago
Actually. You can. Money isn't an excuse to do whatever you want
- sharken 1y ago
  The incentive for a corporation leans heavily into making deals worth billions of dollars, which is also happening here. A change of status quo in this case, will require massive loss of Disney+ subscriptions, which is not that probable.
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    > The incentive for a corporation leans heavily That's why you can blame them, because billions of private dollars should not outweigh maintaining a stable democracy and civil society for all. "Just following market incentives to maximize shareholder value" is 2025's "just following orders".
    - tharmas 1y ago
      Dont forget those private prisons need customers.
UncleMeat 1y ago
I believe that you can. "Well, we needed to acquiesce to fascism for our stock price" is not acceptable. Over and over and over we are told about how corporations are job creators and serve a valuable function in our society. We are told that having power distributed across corporations that are in competition with one another is a protection against tyranny. Fat lot of good that did.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Didn't Mussolini describe fascism as the fusion of state and corporate power?
  - pseudalopex 1y ago
    There is no evidence he did.
- HaZeust 1y ago
  I mean, to be fair, it did. There are other media personalities syndicated by other broadcasters that aren't bending the knee to autocratic rule. ABC has shown its not ripe for the fight, and has separated itself as the chaff from the wheat. If there were a monopoly on media from ONE broadcaster, and that broadcaster didn't fight back, that's a wrap. But to be sure, competition is NOT an innate feature of capitalism (economic power naturally consolidates in laissez-faire markets), but competition is an external check on capitalism's power; which is empowered by government regulation; and creates mixed market economies. Just as well, mixed market economies - and the ability to have multiple companies for goods and services - are an external check on government AND society power, as well as other companies themselves. It allows people to choose who to work for, buy/sell from, and build their own enterprise if they don't agree with present-day offerings.
justin66 1y ago
> you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation More accurate to say "I" as you'll find quite a large number of people blaming ABC for their actions in the coming days.
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  I give them through today before I cancel my Hulu/Disney+ to explain what 'indefinite' is. Fired or a week cooldown? Also, you can cancel and then re-sub right away with one extra click (and keep any discounted rate). Let them see the numbers and a warning.
  - Anthony-G 1y ago
    I had never seen Kimmel until I watched the YouTube clip¹ linked elsewhere in this thread earlier today. After doing so, I cancelled my Disney+ subscription, giving “cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel” as the reason and won’t be in any hurry to re-join (though I heard the new Alien TV show is worth watching). I hate cancel culture whether it’s coming from the conservative right (we’ve had that in Ireland for most of the 20th century) or the liberal left (more recently) and I believe that comedy should be able to transgress social norms and push up against boundaries but what I saw of Kimmel was wholly innocuous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk&t=123s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk&t=123s
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      No statement from ABC so canceled. If you can fit in the Aliens show before your billing date it's worth watching if you are a normal person that can allow yourself to enjoy TV shows.
      - compootr 1y ago
        Not that I or anyone has done it, but there is theoretically there is a way to enjoy these TV shows for free from companies one doesn't want to fund. sailing or something...
gengwyn 1y ago
As Sam Harris so eloquently put it: "What's the point of having 'fuck you' money if you never actually say 'fuck you'?"
- giardini 1y ago
  Sort of like Vladimir Putin would say: "What's the point of having nuclear weapons if you never actually nuke someone?"
  - harbingerofdoom 1y ago
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TehCorwiz 1y ago
Fuck you. Yes I can blame them. They’re selling democracy and civil society down the river for profit. It’s greed, it’s corruption, it’s disgusting! They might think it will save them but acquiescing to a bully never works. It just shows you’re weak and can be pushed around.

malfist 1y ago

Actually. You can. Money isn't an excuse to do whatever you want

sharken 1y ago
The incentive for a corporation leans heavily into making deals worth billions of dollars, which is also happening here. A change of status quo in this case, will require massive loss of Disney+ subscriptions, which is not that probable.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  > The incentive for a corporation leans heavily That's why you can blame them, because billions of private dollars should not outweigh maintaining a stable democracy and civil society for all. "Just following market incentives to maximize shareholder value" is 2025's "just following orders".
  - tharmas 1y ago
    Dont forget those private prisons need customers.

UncleMeat 1y ago

I believe that you can. "Well, we needed to acquiesce to fascism for our stock price" is not acceptable. Over and over and over we are told about how corporations are job creators and serve a valuable function in our society. We are told that having power distributed across corporations that are in competition with one another is a protection against tyranny. Fat lot of good that did.

queenkjuul 1y ago
Didn't Mussolini describe fascism as the fusion of state and corporate power?
- pseudalopex 1y ago
  There is no evidence he did.
HaZeust 1y ago
I mean, to be fair, it did. There are other media personalities syndicated by other broadcasters that aren't bending the knee to autocratic rule. ABC has shown its not ripe for the fight, and has separated itself as the chaff from the wheat. If there were a monopoly on media from ONE broadcaster, and that broadcaster didn't fight back, that's a wrap. But to be sure, competition is NOT an innate feature of capitalism (economic power naturally consolidates in laissez-faire markets), but competition is an external check on capitalism's power; which is empowered by government regulation; and creates mixed market economies. Just as well, mixed market economies - and the ability to have multiple companies for goods and services - are an external check on government AND society power, as well as other companies themselves. It allows people to choose who to work for, buy/sell from, and build their own enterprise if they don't agree with present-day offerings.

justin66 1y ago

> you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation More accurate to say "I" as you'll find quite a large number of people blaming ABC for their actions in the coming days.

_DeadFred_ 1y ago
I give them through today before I cancel my Hulu/Disney+ to explain what 'indefinite' is. Fired or a week cooldown? Also, you can cancel and then re-sub right away with one extra click (and keep any discounted rate). Let them see the numbers and a warning.
- Anthony-G 1y ago
  I had never seen Kimmel until I watched the YouTube clip¹ linked elsewhere in this thread earlier today. After doing so, I cancelled my Disney+ subscription, giving “cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel” as the reason and won’t be in any hurry to re-join (though I heard the new Alien TV show is worth watching). I hate cancel culture whether it’s coming from the conservative right (we’ve had that in Ireland for most of the 20th century) or the liberal left (more recently) and I believe that comedy should be able to transgress social norms and push up against boundaries but what I saw of Kimmel was wholly innocuous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk&t=123s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk&t=123s
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    No statement from ABC so canceled. If you can fit in the Aliens show before your billing date it's worth watching if you are a normal person that can allow yourself to enjoy TV shows.
    - compootr 1y ago
      Not that I or anyone has done it, but there is theoretically there is a way to enjoy these TV shows for free from companies one doesn't want to fund. sailing or something...

gengwyn 1y ago

As Sam Harris so eloquently put it: "What's the point of having 'fuck you' money if you never actually say 'fuck you'?"

giardini 1y ago
Sort of like Vladimir Putin would say: "What's the point of having nuclear weapons if you never actually nuke someone?"
- harbingerofdoom 1y ago
  [dead]

TehCorwiz 1y ago

Fuck you. Yes I can blame them. They’re selling democracy and civil society down the river for profit. It’s greed, it’s corruption, it’s disgusting! They might think it will save them but acquiescing to a bully never works. It just shows you’re weak and can be pushed around.