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People who get excited enough about politics in this country to shoot someone are stupid. Love him or hate him, Charlie is just somebody's puppet. If you see

People who get excited enough about politics in this country to shoot someone are stupid. Love him or hate him, Charlie is just somebody's puppet. If you see them on twitter or television, they are puppets. Puppeteers are smart enough to stay out of the spotlight. There is only one person in recent memory who was smart enough to go after a puppeteer.

ludamn 1y ago
Out of curiosity, who was this person? Which puppeteer they went after?
rdtsc 1y ago
> If you see them on twitter or television, they are puppets. Puppeteers are smart enough to stay out of the spotlight. There is only one person in recent memory who was smart enough to go after a puppeteer. Sounds like you know more than you're saying. So it's someone controlling him or blackmailing him or something? Who's puppet do you think he is? I never watched him and only vaguely remembered his name when it just hit the news.
- nothankyou777 1y ago
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  - saulpw 1y ago
    Not to detract from your larger point, but if he had gotten a 'real job', it's almost certain the tab for that job would also be picked up by high-net-worth individuals and corporate benefactors. Except that job would be in the direct service of making them richer rather than promoting their ideology (which is probably in service of making them richer after all anyway). I mean wouldn't Fox News talking head count as a real job?
    - nothankyou777 1y ago
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      - saulpw 1y ago
        Almost all of the builders, mechanics, landscapers, chefs, etc that I know are also employed by corporations. If the only 'real jobs' are independent contractors then I guess we're all house slaves.
        nothankyou777 1y ago
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  - HaZeust 1y ago
    >"Charlie Kirk is neither here nor there" Best way I've ever seen it put. There is no "essential" Charlie Kirk, just as there's no "essential" of any of these talking heads. They are a reflection of beliefs from the person's payroll they're on. He didn't even think twice about the Epstein files with the MAGA base imploded, and was happy to say - to a camera - that he "Trusts his friends" to sort it out.
    - dionian 1y ago
      But he didnt use violence...
      - HaZeust 1y ago
        No, but he thought its presence was worth it: >"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment" - Charlie Kirk, 2023 https://www.29news.com/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-shot-university-event-reports-say/ https://www.29news.com/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-shot-universi...
      - int_19h 1y ago
        Neither did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher
  - ikrenji 1y ago
    which books would you recommend? chomsky/spengler
    - nothankyou777 1y ago
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  - jrm4 1y ago
    One might wonder, however, if it's kind of different now because it can be "less personal?" Like, it doesn't have to be "a small number of very powerful rich benefactors who know exactly what they're doing" -- it could be some less rich, or less powerful people who know how to leverage "the internet;" or even something like "the internet sort of made this on its own?"
  - yndoendo 1y ago
    Adding to ... A person does not have to be a _neither here no there_ to be a conduit by the wealthy and powerful. Single voter issues are another means. _Rob Schenck_ [0] anti-abortion activism was a great tool for politicians to gain power. _The Dark Money Game_ [1] documentary goes it great length of highlight this feature of "democracy". His mind set at the time was that the wealthy are paying to end abortion and that is a good thing. Indirectly, he helped the speaker of the house, Larry Householder [2], gain enough power to launder money through bribery and force tax payers to bail to a corrupt power company's fail nuclear infrastructure [3]. Rob Schenck has since supported legalized abortion after sitting on the bed side of a women who slowly suffered to death from complications which an abortion would of kept her alive. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Schenck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Schenck [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Money_Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Money_Game [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Householder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Householder [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_nuclear_bribery_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_nuclear_bribery_scandal
deepfriedchokes 1y ago
Who was the one person in recent memory to go after a puppeteer??
- testbjjl 1y ago
  Gawker Magazine
- thinkcontext 1y ago
  I took it as a reference to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare's CEO.

ludamn 1y ago

Out of curiosity, who was this person? Which puppeteer they went after?

rdtsc 1y ago

> If you see them on twitter or television, they are puppets. Puppeteers are smart enough to stay out of the spotlight. There is only one person in recent memory who was smart enough to go after a puppeteer. Sounds like you know more than you're saying. So it's someone controlling him or blackmailing him or something? Who's puppet do you think he is? I never watched him and only vaguely remembered his name when it just hit the news.

nothankyou777 1y ago
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- saulpw 1y ago
  Not to detract from your larger point, but if he had gotten a 'real job', it's almost certain the tab for that job would also be picked up by high-net-worth individuals and corporate benefactors. Except that job would be in the direct service of making them richer rather than promoting their ideology (which is probably in service of making them richer after all anyway). I mean wouldn't Fox News talking head count as a real job?
  - nothankyou777 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - saulpw 1y ago
      Almost all of the builders, mechanics, landscapers, chefs, etc that I know are also employed by corporations. If the only 'real jobs' are independent contractors then I guess we're all house slaves.
      - nothankyou777 1y ago
        [dead]
- HaZeust 1y ago
  >"Charlie Kirk is neither here nor there" Best way I've ever seen it put. There is no "essential" Charlie Kirk, just as there's no "essential" of any of these talking heads. They are a reflection of beliefs from the person's payroll they're on. He didn't even think twice about the Epstein files with the MAGA base imploded, and was happy to say - to a camera - that he "Trusts his friends" to sort it out.
  - dionian 1y ago
    But he didnt use violence...
    - HaZeust 1y ago
      No, but he thought its presence was worth it: >"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment" - Charlie Kirk, 2023 https://www.29news.com/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-shot-university-event-reports-say/ https://www.29news.com/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-shot-universi...
    - int_19h 1y ago
      Neither did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher
- ikrenji 1y ago
  which books would you recommend? chomsky/spengler
  - nothankyou777 1y ago
    [dead]
- jrm4 1y ago
  One might wonder, however, if it's kind of different now because it can be "less personal?" Like, it doesn't have to be "a small number of very powerful rich benefactors who know exactly what they're doing" -- it could be some less rich, or less powerful people who know how to leverage "the internet;" or even something like "the internet sort of made this on its own?"
- yndoendo 1y ago
  Adding to ... A person does not have to be a _neither here no there_ to be a conduit by the wealthy and powerful. Single voter issues are another means. _Rob Schenck_ [0] anti-abortion activism was a great tool for politicians to gain power. _The Dark Money Game_ [1] documentary goes it great length of highlight this feature of "democracy". His mind set at the time was that the wealthy are paying to end abortion and that is a good thing. Indirectly, he helped the speaker of the house, Larry Householder [2], gain enough power to launder money through bribery and force tax payers to bail to a corrupt power company's fail nuclear infrastructure [3]. Rob Schenck has since supported legalized abortion after sitting on the bed side of a women who slowly suffered to death from complications which an abortion would of kept her alive. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Schenck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Schenck [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Money_Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Money_Game [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Householder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Householder [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_nuclear_bribery_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_nuclear_bribery_scandal

deepfriedchokes 1y ago

Who was the one person in recent memory to go after a puppeteer??

testbjjl 1y ago
Gawker Magazine
thinkcontext 1y ago
I took it as a reference to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare's CEO.