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If I was rounded up in an ICE raid, I would enthusiastically depart the country, even if I was fully compliant with every rule. That’s to say that a voluntary
by elygre 1y ago
If I was rounded up in an ICE raid, I would enthusiastically depart the country, even if I was fully compliant with every rule.
That’s to say that a voluntary departure doesn’t mean no harm was caused.
- jimbo808 1y agoBut if harm was caused, The Guardian would probably be more explicit about it. They wouldn't beat around the bush in how they word it.
- rich_sasha 1y agoIf Ice detained me, kept me in kafkaesque isolation, shuttled me around for a few hours from one detention centre to another, but did no other harm, I'd probably also be happy to GTFO, and might even concede no harm was done.
- mindslight 1y agoBaseless detainment and coercion, kicking a law-abiding America-contributing worker out of the country, interrupting the building of a new domestic factory, and making an allied country wary of working with us are the harms. You're just ignoring them, because you've been propagandized to think the victims deserved it.
- jimbo808 1y agoThat is a very different issue than what the article implies. The implication of the article was that something very illegal happened. What you're implying is not necessarily illegal, but I agree it is harmful.
- mindslight 1y agoI mean, someone was kidnapped, and then coerced into giving up their visa. Kidnapping is very illegal, and so is extortion.
- jimbo808 1y agoKidnapped or detained? These words mean the same thing to you?
- mindslight 1y agoI don't know what distinction you're trying to draw. I assumed they moved the victim some time in the course of the detainment. Call it unlawful detainment if you want.