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I can transfer money from Europe to Brazil in seconds with Wise. I press the button and the money is nearly instantly available in the Brazilian account via PIX

I can transfer money from Europe to Brazil in seconds with Wise. I press the button and the money is nearly instantly available in the Brazilian account via PIX. The same in the reverse direction is possible but only if you have a more modern bank in Europe, eg. N26 or Revolut.

acchow 1y ago
I was thinking more of gp's comment "and the first user is an Argentinian bike importer that finds transacting with their suppliers to be challenging" Wise isn't great for paying suppliers. Their business account limit for debit/credit is $2k, and for ACH is $50k. They have higher limits if you fund with wire, but then we're back at the starting problem again... And still, you have no way of knowing that the receiving party actually got it. On a blockchain, the source-of-truth "database" is public.
hahn-kev 1y ago
My understanding is that Wise isn't a true international transfer. Wise has money already in a Brazilian account, and when they receive money in their European account then they send you money from their Brazilian account. If they don't have enough money in that Brazilian account then it can't be instant like it is today.
- reubenmorais 1y ago
  From my perspective, if it quacks like a duck...
  - Jommi 1y ago
    and if wise bans you?
ta12653421 1y ago
Not the full picture: Wise is that big that it has already lots of local accounts and/or correspondent banks; so basicly "you get the money from Wise" but from a "local payment way/scheme" (to which Wise is connected in the background through several layers)
- topranks 1y ago
  This is a much more optimal solution than blockchain.
  - Jommi 1y ago
    that we need one company to achieve such big scale that they literally are regulated in every single country and basically become monopolistic in terms of their influence? a Blockchain based system can maintain similar effects but with a balance of power think about it
    - ta12653421 1y ago
      No worries, if any DLT-system would become somewhere somehow relevant, any regulator will catch it sooner or later. Though, its an issue for the company, as this allocates a lot of resources wrongly.

acchow 1y ago

I was thinking more of gp's comment "and the first user is an Argentinian bike importer that finds transacting with their suppliers to be challenging" Wise isn't great for paying suppliers. Their business account limit for debit/credit is $2k, and for ACH is $50k. They have higher limits if you fund with wire, but then we're back at the starting problem again... And still, you have no way of knowing that the receiving party actually got it. On a blockchain, the source-of-truth "database" is public.

hahn-kev 1y ago

My understanding is that Wise isn't a true international transfer. Wise has money already in a Brazilian account, and when they receive money in their European account then they send you money from their Brazilian account. If they don't have enough money in that Brazilian account then it can't be instant like it is today.

reubenmorais 1y ago
From my perspective, if it quacks like a duck...
- Jommi 1y ago
  and if wise bans you?

ta12653421 1y ago

Not the full picture: Wise is that big that it has already lots of local accounts and/or correspondent banks; so basicly "you get the money from Wise" but from a "local payment way/scheme" (to which Wise is connected in the background through several layers)

topranks 1y ago
This is a much more optimal solution than blockchain.
- Jommi 1y ago
  that we need one company to achieve such big scale that they literally are regulated in every single country and basically become monopolistic in terms of their influence? a Blockchain based system can maintain similar effects but with a balance of power think about it
  - ta12653421 1y ago
    No worries, if any DLT-system would become somewhere somehow relevant, any regulator will catch it sooner or later. Though, its an issue for the company, as this allocates a lot of resources wrongly.