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The desire to come and immigrate to the US has greatly diminished. This use to be a easy decision for foreign students to stay in the US for work opportunities.

by nanliu 1y ago

The desire to come and immigrate to the US has greatly diminished. This use to be a easy decision for foreign students to stay in the US for work opportunities. Nowadays, a US degree isn't considered prestigious outside of a few elite schools and the cost has completely spiraled out of control. I've talked to numerous colleagues who abandoned waiting for a green card because it's no longer a clear cut decision. Opportunities and quality of life in other countries have either caught up or surpassed the US in certain areas. This would of been unthinkable 10-20 years ago.

lurk2 1y ago
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- tokioyoyo 1y ago
  They’re right about 1 and 3, but not 2. Life has gotten much better in a good chunk of the world, that the opportunity loss for not moving to US is getting smaller. You can easily see it by immigration application numbers by country.
  - lurk2 1y ago
    > You can easily see it by immigration application numbers by country. Where are you getting this information? Visa issuance more than doubled between 2020 and 2024. https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2024AnnualReport/Table%20I.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual...
    - tastyfreeze 1y ago
      Visa issuance doubling and having less applications from improving countries can both be true. I think you want issuance by place of birth to make the comparison OP is pointing out. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-statistics/immigrant-visa-statistics/monthly-immigrant-visa-issuances.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...
      - lurk2 1y ago
        > I think you want issuance by place of birth to make the comparison OP is pointing out. I’m not seeing a year to year comparison on the page you linked. It’s calculable from the monthly figures, but I’ll wait and see if the GP responds with his own source.
asats 1y ago
>The desire to come and immigrate to the US has greatly diminished Do you have any data to back up that claim? E.g. the number of diversity lottery applicants (one of the easiest proxies to judge how many people express their interest in moving to the US) went up from 12 million in 2011 to almost 20 million last year.
- christina97 1y ago
  This thread is largely about college educated folks who represent a small minority of diversity lottery applicants. As to why the DV lottery has grown, I suspect it has a lot to do with it just having become more visible and known, growing hand in hand with increased access to internet and ability to apply.
  - asats 1y ago
    Sure, if we are talking about the top end we can check the O-visas, the "extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics" ones, both the applications and the issuance of those went up even more than the DV applications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_visa#Number_of_visas_issued_by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_visa#Number_of_visas_issued_...

by nanliu 1y ago

lurk2 1y ago

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tokioyoyo 1y ago
They’re right about 1 and 3, but not 2. Life has gotten much better in a good chunk of the world, that the opportunity loss for not moving to US is getting smaller. You can easily see it by immigration application numbers by country.
- lurk2 1y ago
  > You can easily see it by immigration application numbers by country. Where are you getting this information? Visa issuance more than doubled between 2020 and 2024. https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2024AnnualReport/Table%20I.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual...
  - tastyfreeze 1y ago
    Visa issuance doubling and having less applications from improving countries can both be true. I think you want issuance by place of birth to make the comparison OP is pointing out. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-statistics/immigrant-visa-statistics/monthly-immigrant-visa-issuances.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...
    - lurk2 1y ago
      > I think you want issuance by place of birth to make the comparison OP is pointing out. I’m not seeing a year to year comparison on the page you linked. It’s calculable from the monthly figures, but I’ll wait and see if the GP responds with his own source.

asats 1y ago

>The desire to come and immigrate to the US has greatly diminished Do you have any data to back up that claim? E.g. the number of diversity lottery applicants (one of the easiest proxies to judge how many people express their interest in moving to the US) went up from 12 million in 2011 to almost 20 million last year.

christina97 1y ago
This thread is largely about college educated folks who represent a small minority of diversity lottery applicants. As to why the DV lottery has grown, I suspect it has a lot to do with it just having become more visible and known, growing hand in hand with increased access to internet and ability to apply.
- asats 1y ago
  Sure, if we are talking about the top end we can check the O-visas, the "extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics" ones, both the applications and the issuance of those went up even more than the DV applications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_visa#Number_of_visas_issued_by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_visa#Number_of_visas_issued_...