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An individual scientist/researcher (most of them) is in pursuit of truth. Nothing matters, and nothing should matter other than that. For future discoveries, we

An individual scientist/researcher (most of them) is in pursuit of truth. Nothing matters, and nothing should matter other than that. For future discoveries, we should make knowledge as accessible as possible. But when an organization forms, it competes for power and superiority. This results in discriminatory actions that cause the overall regression of collective innovation. It is sad to see this happen.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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- cyberpunk 1y ago
  Fine, I'll bite. How did scientists (as a whole) lie to people during covid?
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Of course but that depends on one thing. Are you interested in having an honest conversation or are have you already braced yourself to shit on whatever I will say?
    - matwood 1y ago
      Depends on what you say of course. Keep in mind that someone changing their mind as they learn more is not called lying, but is the definition of science.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      Your comment has been flagged and down-voted to oblivion, and I think the "fine, I'll bite" already answers your question. There is not going to be a conversation. :)
    - cyberpunk 1y ago
      No I honestly don’t ant to know what you think and the evidence for such a claim.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        So your were just trolling. Got it.
        cyberpunk 1y ago
        whoops autocomplete / fat fingers fail. I *honestly want to know — not trolling
diggan 1y ago
> An individual scientist/researcher (most of them) is in pursuit of truth. Maybe I'm in a certain type of bubble, but I kind of feel like that's a secondary goal (for many of them), while the first is finding and keeping a position that lets them earn enough money to survive. Some of them are lucky to be able to do both, but quite a lot of them are sacrificing the "pursuit of truth" because otherwise they wouldn't be able to feed themselves by working as a researcher.
- melagonster 1y ago
  Yes, but giving people a dream is a good way to let them look for low salary jobs.
- willgax 1y ago
  i am not talking about people who just do job to survive there comes a point where you achieve all your needs you need something intangible like pursuit of truth/power/authority to validate your existence. I could blame the people in the institutions, but they were once a student who wanted nothing but to achieve great things, world-changing research. But along the way they tasted power and authority. Science has inherent quality of giving power and control, realizing that every action has consequence, and in this godless world only actions you take matter. If anyone who has experienced the authority knows that it is addictive and it is hard to let go. If anyone (young budding scientists) can challenge that authority you would go to any lengths to prevent that i think this is what is happening here.
eesmith 1y ago
No, no, no, no, no! There's a long list of researchers who have done horrible things in pursuit of truth. Research ethics exist to remind us that, yes, other things matter.
oneshtein 1y ago
Scientists can reproduce the findings and publish their own paper, instead of pirating someone else work.
- FabHK 1y ago
  How do you reproduce a paper without having read it?
  - oneshtein 1y ago
    Obviously, someone must buy the paper, reproduce it, compare with original work, and then publish result for free. Same thing as for free software: someone must by a computer, write a software, then publish it on github.
    - ardfard 1y ago
      Publishing it on GitHub is optional; you can publish it anywhere accessible. And unlike these journals, it doesn't cost you anything to access free software. In fact, paywalling it makes it unfree.
- dns_snek 1y ago
  > pirating someone else work. Are you aware that you're not paying the authors, but paying the journal, who usually don't pay the authors anything and even demand payment FROM the author to publish their article in the first place? This is not like buying a book, journals are leeches with morally indefensible business models.
  - oneshtein 1y ago
    Authors decided to pay to these journals and play by their rules in return for something, that have value for them. I respect their choice. However, I also want to have better science with free access. I can reproduce few papers, and publish my work for free, if someone will peer review them for free.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

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cyberpunk 1y ago
Fine, I'll bite. How did scientists (as a whole) lie to people during covid?
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  Of course but that depends on one thing. Are you interested in having an honest conversation or are have you already braced yourself to shit on whatever I will say?
  - matwood 1y ago
    Depends on what you say of course. Keep in mind that someone changing their mind as they learn more is not called lying, but is the definition of science.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    Your comment has been flagged and down-voted to oblivion, and I think the "fine, I'll bite" already answers your question. There is not going to be a conversation. :)
  - cyberpunk 1y ago
    No I honestly don’t ant to know what you think and the evidence for such a claim.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      So your were just trolling. Got it.
      - cyberpunk 1y ago
        whoops autocomplete / fat fingers fail. I *honestly want to know — not trolling

diggan 1y ago

> An individual scientist/researcher (most of them) is in pursuit of truth. Maybe I'm in a certain type of bubble, but I kind of feel like that's a secondary goal (for many of them), while the first is finding and keeping a position that lets them earn enough money to survive. Some of them are lucky to be able to do both, but quite a lot of them are sacrificing the "pursuit of truth" because otherwise they wouldn't be able to feed themselves by working as a researcher.

melagonster 1y ago
Yes, but giving people a dream is a good way to let them look for low salary jobs.
willgax 1y ago
i am not talking about people who just do job to survive there comes a point where you achieve all your needs you need something intangible like pursuit of truth/power/authority to validate your existence. I could blame the people in the institutions, but they were once a student who wanted nothing but to achieve great things, world-changing research. But along the way they tasted power and authority. Science has inherent quality of giving power and control, realizing that every action has consequence, and in this godless world only actions you take matter. If anyone who has experienced the authority knows that it is addictive and it is hard to let go. If anyone (young budding scientists) can challenge that authority you would go to any lengths to prevent that i think this is what is happening here.

eesmith 1y ago

No, no, no, no, no! There's a long list of researchers who have done horrible things in pursuit of truth. Research ethics exist to remind us that, yes, other things matter.

oneshtein 1y ago

Scientists can reproduce the findings and publish their own paper, instead of pirating someone else work.

FabHK 1y ago
How do you reproduce a paper without having read it?
- oneshtein 1y ago
  Obviously, someone must buy the paper, reproduce it, compare with original work, and then publish result for free. Same thing as for free software: someone must by a computer, write a software, then publish it on github.
  - ardfard 1y ago
    Publishing it on GitHub is optional; you can publish it anywhere accessible. And unlike these journals, it doesn't cost you anything to access free software. In fact, paywalling it makes it unfree.
dns_snek 1y ago
> pirating someone else work. Are you aware that you're not paying the authors, but paying the journal, who usually don't pay the authors anything and even demand payment FROM the author to publish their article in the first place? This is not like buying a book, journals are leeches with morally indefensible business models.
- oneshtein 1y ago
  Authors decided to pay to these journals and play by their rules in return for something, that have value for them. I respect their choice. However, I also want to have better science with free access. I can reproduce few papers, and publish my work for free, if someone will peer review them for free.