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Is IntelliJ "bad"? Aren't the reactions here overly negative? This means the company is funded, development will continue, zed will continue to improve. An Int

by airesQ 1y ago

Is IntelliJ "bad"? Aren't the reactions here overly negative? This means the company is funded, development will continue, zed will continue to improve. An IntelliJ style license (for example) is an acceptable trade-off from my point-of-view

krackers 1y ago
Ever since the UI redesign they've lost the plot a bit.
- jen20 1y ago
  Counterpoint: the updated UI looks and works great, and their software has never felt higher quality.
MeetingsBrowser 1y ago
Not many people are willing to pay ~$300/year for an IDE. And Intellij didn't take any VC funding. So at some point Zed will likely need to pursue monetization more aggressively than IntelliJ does now.
- nicce 1y ago
  The thing with taking VC funding is that your intention usually is not to steadily grow a sustainable product. You take the funding so that you can outgrow the competitors and get the market faster. All you need is the small promise of innovation in an area which is somewhat new. At the beginning, the product is good enough and you have money to keep marketing and developing slightly faster than others. This will get you the users. In the end, is your product at that point truly the best among competitors? It matters less, since you already have the users. I think Zed didn’t need this one since they had a great product. Many would have been ready to pay at least a little. They could have grown slowly and see what works. With VC money take can go to completely wrong direction with giant steps and they are not noticing that unless it is too late. And then investors want returns.
- dymk 1y ago
  Cursor costs $240 per year and loads of people are paying for it
  - MeetingsBrowser 1y ago
    I doubt there is much overlap between people happily paying for cursor and people upset Zed took VC funding.
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jadenPete 1y ago
IntelliJ has always been extremely slow for me, even on my beefed up mobile workstation for work. It’s refreshing to see an editor that’s built with performance as a priority.
keyle 1y ago
IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more. Progress was down to a crawl, performance down the shitter and bug reports go unnoticed for 2+ years. VSCode poops on IntelliJ these days for everything but the UX; but with enough modding, it can be very close.
- TiredOfLife 1y ago
  >IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more. What are you talking about? ReSharper came out 21 years ago 3 years after Intellij. RubyMine came out 15 years ago. 7 years before CLion.
  - keyle 1y ago
    I don't write Ruby, but I write Go and C, and C++ and I was left facing a new license. For no reason at all. It's the same debugger and the same code base, you just need to hook into gdb or lldb instead of all the other ones. Like I said it's only one of the problems, read the rest.
    - jeremyjh 1y ago
      The paid version of Intellij has never lost anything. Pretty much everything the specialized IDEs can do, Intellij can do too, though maybe some features lag. CLion, Rubymine etc are just less expensive specialized versions. I'm sure the free version has lost some things. Its been a long time since I used CLion but it was the best C++ IDE by a huge margin.
      - keyle 1y ago
        I agree CLion is the best as C IDE, but there is no reason that intelliJ couldn't do C/C++/Go, other than cashing in with new product lines and licenses.
v3ss0n 1y ago
VC funding and self funded are totally different beast. Self funded are organic and they can follow their own vision , not VC's vision.
kamaal 1y ago
>>Is IntelliJ "bad"? The days of using a separate IDE for each language are kind of over. These very paradigms are outdated these days. vscode got it, very early. vscode works for everything. Most projects use Python/Go and JS, and out of the box vscode just works for all these languages and their tools.
- jen20 1y ago
  > vscode works for everything. IntelliJ did that before Atom even had ‘git init’ run on it.

by airesQ 1y ago

krackers 1y ago

Ever since the UI redesign they've lost the plot a bit.

jen20 1y ago
Counterpoint: the updated UI looks and works great, and their software has never felt higher quality.

MeetingsBrowser 1y ago

Not many people are willing to pay ~$300/year for an IDE. And Intellij didn't take any VC funding. So at some point Zed will likely need to pursue monetization more aggressively than IntelliJ does now.

nicce 1y ago
The thing with taking VC funding is that your intention usually is not to steadily grow a sustainable product. You take the funding so that you can outgrow the competitors and get the market faster. All you need is the small promise of innovation in an area which is somewhat new. At the beginning, the product is good enough and you have money to keep marketing and developing slightly faster than others. This will get you the users. In the end, is your product at that point truly the best among competitors? It matters less, since you already have the users. I think Zed didn’t need this one since they had a great product. Many would have been ready to pay at least a little. They could have grown slowly and see what works. With VC money take can go to completely wrong direction with giant steps and they are not noticing that unless it is too late. And then investors want returns.
dymk 1y ago
Cursor costs $240 per year and loads of people are paying for it
- MeetingsBrowser 1y ago
  I doubt there is much overlap between people happily paying for cursor and people upset Zed took VC funding.
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jadenPete 1y ago

IntelliJ has always been extremely slow for me, even on my beefed up mobile workstation for work. It’s refreshing to see an editor that’s built with performance as a priority.

keyle 1y ago

IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more. Progress was down to a crawl, performance down the shitter and bug reports go unnoticed for 2+ years. VSCode poops on IntelliJ these days for everything but the UX; but with enough modding, it can be very close.

TiredOfLife 1y ago
>IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more. What are you talking about? ReSharper came out 21 years ago 3 years after Intellij. RubyMine came out 15 years ago. 7 years before CLion.
- keyle 1y ago
  I don't write Ruby, but I write Go and C, and C++ and I was left facing a new license. For no reason at all. It's the same debugger and the same code base, you just need to hook into gdb or lldb instead of all the other ones. Like I said it's only one of the problems, read the rest.
  - jeremyjh 1y ago
    The paid version of Intellij has never lost anything. Pretty much everything the specialized IDEs can do, Intellij can do too, though maybe some features lag. CLion, Rubymine etc are just less expensive specialized versions. I'm sure the free version has lost some things. Its been a long time since I used CLion but it was the best C++ IDE by a huge margin.
    - keyle 1y ago
      I agree CLion is the best as C IDE, but there is no reason that intelliJ couldn't do C/C++/Go, other than cashing in with new product lines and licenses.

v3ss0n 1y ago

VC funding and self funded are totally different beast. Self funded are organic and they can follow their own vision , not VC's vision.

kamaal 1y ago

>>Is IntelliJ "bad"? The days of using a separate IDE for each language are kind of over. These very paradigms are outdated these days. vscode got it, very early. vscode works for everything. Most projects use Python/Go and JS, and out of the box vscode just works for all these languages and their tools.

jen20 1y ago
> vscode works for everything. IntelliJ did that before Atom even had ‘git init’ run on it.