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1. The Republican party of 10 years ago is not the Republican party of today. 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
How are they different?
- jkestner 1y ago
  Now they’re less subtle.
  - throwaway29812 1y ago
    [dead]
- usefulcat 1y ago
  Consider that the current president campaigned on raising taxes, and was elected anyway. Perhaps a lot of R voters didn't have a problem with that because they somehow assumed that enacting a bunch of tariffs wouldn't result in higher prices for them.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    When did Trump ever campaign on raising taxes? Perhaps you mean the tariffs which he promised that other countries will pay for?
    - JohnTHaller 1y ago
      It was a lie, but it was still a campaign to raise taxes on Americans.
      - paulryanrogers 1y ago
        To call it a "campaign to raise taxes" I think assumes voters are more informed and open minded they they really are. My boomer parents genuinely believed Trump had and would continue to reduce their taxes. When confronted with tariff facts they counter with more spin, like "he's just negotiating" or "it'll make the economy so much stronger".
        wahern 1y ago
        He's making the trains run on time. Before I learned it was an infamous political meme immortalized by the fallout from WWII, I heard that claim recited in utter sincerity in the 1990s by a woman who had been a teenager in Italy during that period. Even after what happened with Mussolini, she still believed.
- Modified3019 1y ago
  2 decades of increasingly refined 24/7 propaganda designed to radicalize.
  - OnlineGladiator 1y ago
    I don't think it's been refined so much as it's been amplified.
- threatofrain 1y ago
  One era can be exemplified by people who sound like Mitt Romney or George Bush.
- tick_tock_tick 1y ago
  I mean the Republican part is now the party of the poor and working class while the Democrats are the educated and rich. As in who votes for them not necessarily who they pay lip service too. For example the Democrats still deeply message on them being the party of the working class even as the working class no longer votes for them. They literally flipped inside the last decade.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    Dems/Repubs seem evenly split by income. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
  - jrs235 1y ago
    The Republican party is now the party of billionaires, grifters, the dumb, and the duped.
  - kenjackson 1y ago
    If you view this around identity then its pretty straightfoward. Republicans are the party of the dominant group and maintaining their power. Democrats are the party of the non-dominant groups and speading power across groups. Everything else is just chips to push these two agendas. And I think this is why Republicans will have a long-term advantage. The dominant group is by definition the group in power and its the group that people eventually want to be in (see Hispanics). No one wants to stay in the out-group.
    - somenameforme 1y ago
      What does this mean? The majority of people, regardless of 'group', are facing similar issues. I think this sort of rhetoric, alongside the endless hyperbole, is a big part of why the Democrat party is facing substantial difficulties. I also think this claim is falsifiable by the homogeneity of party views. The stereotype of a Republican is pro-gun, anti-abortion, yeehaw. In reality? Only 24% of Republicans completely oppose abortion [1] and only 27% think gun laws should be less strict. [2] The party has become extremely heterogeneous. By contrast, stereotypes on Democrat views are somewhat more accurate with 86% thinking gun laws should be more strict, and 56% supporting abortion at any time, for any reason. Were the Republican party supporting some specific 'group', you would expect to see a general homogeneity of views. And were the Democrat party supporting a large number of otherwise relatively independent 'groups', you would expect to see a general heterogeneity of views. Instead, we see something much closer to the exact opposite. [1] - https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.as... [2] - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts...
malfist 1y ago
What desperate times to you see here?

lotsofpulp 1y ago

How are they different?

jkestner 1y ago
Now they’re less subtle.
- throwaway29812 1y ago
  [dead]
usefulcat 1y ago
Consider that the current president campaigned on raising taxes, and was elected anyway. Perhaps a lot of R voters didn't have a problem with that because they somehow assumed that enacting a bunch of tariffs wouldn't result in higher prices for them.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  When did Trump ever campaign on raising taxes? Perhaps you mean the tariffs which he promised that other countries will pay for?
  - JohnTHaller 1y ago
    It was a lie, but it was still a campaign to raise taxes on Americans.
    - paulryanrogers 1y ago
      To call it a "campaign to raise taxes" I think assumes voters are more informed and open minded they they really are. My boomer parents genuinely believed Trump had and would continue to reduce their taxes. When confronted with tariff facts they counter with more spin, like "he's just negotiating" or "it'll make the economy so much stronger".
      - wahern 1y ago
        He's making the trains run on time. Before I learned it was an infamous political meme immortalized by the fallout from WWII, I heard that claim recited in utter sincerity in the 1990s by a woman who had been a teenager in Italy during that period. Even after what happened with Mussolini, she still believed.
Modified3019 1y ago
2 decades of increasingly refined 24/7 propaganda designed to radicalize.
- OnlineGladiator 1y ago
  I don't think it's been refined so much as it's been amplified.
threatofrain 1y ago
One era can be exemplified by people who sound like Mitt Romney or George Bush.
tick_tock_tick 1y ago
I mean the Republican part is now the party of the poor and working class while the Democrats are the educated and rich. As in who votes for them not necessarily who they pay lip service too. For example the Democrats still deeply message on them being the party of the working class even as the working class no longer votes for them. They literally flipped inside the last decade.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  Dems/Repubs seem evenly split by income. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
- jrs235 1y ago
  The Republican party is now the party of billionaires, grifters, the dumb, and the duped.
- kenjackson 1y ago
  If you view this around identity then its pretty straightfoward. Republicans are the party of the dominant group and maintaining their power. Democrats are the party of the non-dominant groups and speading power across groups. Everything else is just chips to push these two agendas. And I think this is why Republicans will have a long-term advantage. The dominant group is by definition the group in power and its the group that people eventually want to be in (see Hispanics). No one wants to stay in the out-group.
  - somenameforme 1y ago
    What does this mean? The majority of people, regardless of 'group', are facing similar issues. I think this sort of rhetoric, alongside the endless hyperbole, is a big part of why the Democrat party is facing substantial difficulties. I also think this claim is falsifiable by the homogeneity of party views. The stereotype of a Republican is pro-gun, anti-abortion, yeehaw. In reality? Only 24% of Republicans completely oppose abortion [1] and only 27% think gun laws should be less strict. [2] The party has become extremely heterogeneous. By contrast, stereotypes on Democrat views are somewhat more accurate with 86% thinking gun laws should be more strict, and 56% supporting abortion at any time, for any reason. Were the Republican party supporting some specific 'group', you would expect to see a general homogeneity of views. And were the Democrat party supporting a large number of otherwise relatively independent 'groups', you would expect to see a general heterogeneity of views. Instead, we see something much closer to the exact opposite. [1] - https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.as... [2] - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts...

malfist 1y ago

What desperate times to you see here?