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In California our rate in 2019 with PG&E was $0.20/kWh - in 2025 it’s $0.38/kWh. CA keeps giving them the ability to raise prices and under deliver

by petarb 1y ago

TkTech 1y ago
Just as a comparison, here in Montréal I pay $0.051USD/kWh and we're at 99.2% renewables. Large customers pay even less.
- barbazoo 1y ago
  Wow that’s half the price of what we pay here in BC.
- thehappypm 1y ago
  ah, Quebec. So much energy but nobody can buy it! Ontario can’t.. New England wants it but keeps hitting NIMBYism.. NY wants it but needs new infrastructure
  - newyankee 1y ago
    Weird that such obvious solutions not being considered. Quebec probably would have had even been a great pumped storage site powering entire New England and Eastern Canada, but the incentives to think big are not aligned it seems.
    - thehappypm 1y ago
      In my opinion, the best thing to do would be for Quebec to start being a data center world hub. They have enough energy to power all the world’s data centers, and they would essentially be exporting their energy by way of offseting demand elsewhere.
  - supertrope 1y ago
    New England desperately needs more power lines and natural gas pipelines. Electric prices have doubled in NE due to rising natural gas prices and power plants being mostly NG. The existing pipelines are fully booked so extra has to come via ship (compressed natural gas). They bid on the global market against other rich buyers like Germany who were scrambling after the war began.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    Probably easier at this point to just run an underwater HVDC cable from Quebec down the US eastern seaboard and let anyone hook up who is willing to pay into the consortium.
insane_dreamer 1y ago
That's more than double what we pay in the PNW
- inferiorhuman 1y ago
  That's also likely the cost from a few rate hikes ago. https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/...
  - insane_dreamer 1y ago
    Wow, their "off peak" prices are literally 10x what we pay up here for off-peak.

In California our rate in 2019 with PG&E was $0.20/kWh - in 2025 it’s $0.38/kWh. CA keeps giving them the ability to raise prices and under deliver

by petarb 1y ago

In California our rate in 2019 with PG&E was $0.20/kWh - in 2025 it’s $0.38/kWh. CA keeps giving them the ability to raise prices and under deliver

TkTech 1y ago

Just as a comparison, here in Montréal I pay $0.051USD/kWh and we're at 99.2% renewables. Large customers pay even less.

barbazoo 1y ago
Wow that’s half the price of what we pay here in BC.
thehappypm 1y ago
ah, Quebec. So much energy but nobody can buy it! Ontario can’t.. New England wants it but keeps hitting NIMBYism.. NY wants it but needs new infrastructure
- newyankee 1y ago
  Weird that such obvious solutions not being considered. Quebec probably would have had even been a great pumped storage site powering entire New England and Eastern Canada, but the incentives to think big are not aligned it seems.
  - thehappypm 1y ago
    In my opinion, the best thing to do would be for Quebec to start being a data center world hub. They have enough energy to power all the world’s data centers, and they would essentially be exporting their energy by way of offseting demand elsewhere.
- supertrope 1y ago
  New England desperately needs more power lines and natural gas pipelines. Electric prices have doubled in NE due to rising natural gas prices and power plants being mostly NG. The existing pipelines are fully booked so extra has to come via ship (compressed natural gas). They bid on the global market against other rich buyers like Germany who were scrambling after the war began.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  Probably easier at this point to just run an underwater HVDC cable from Quebec down the US eastern seaboard and let anyone hook up who is willing to pay into the consortium.

insane_dreamer 1y ago

That's more than double what we pay in the PNW

inferiorhuman 1y ago
That's also likely the cost from a few rate hikes ago. https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/...
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  Wow, their "off peak" prices are literally 10x what we pay up here for off-peak.