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Not quite? Here's the DSM-5 criteria: https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_toolkit/adhd19-assessment-table1.pdf https://www.aafp.org/dam/A

Not quite? Here's the DSM-5 criteria: https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_toolkit/adhd19-assessment-table1.pdf https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_to...

skeezyboy 1y ago
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- 542354234235 1y ago
  Additional context. > Symptoms and/or behaviors that have persisted ≥ 6 months in ≥ 2 settings (e.g., school, home, church). Symptoms have negatively impacted academic, social, and/or occupational functioning. Inpatients aged < 17 years, ≥ 6 symptoms are necessary; in those aged ≥ 17 years, ≥ 5 symptoms are necessary. Clearly these aren't saying "have they ever misplaced anything?" or "have they ever forgotten anything?". Sure, most people have had some of these things happen some of the time. Yeah, all kids find homework boring, but most kids are still able to do it. Most kids forget things, but aren't losing multiple coats every winter. Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function.
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function. it only has to negatively impact academic, social or occupational functioning - according to the patient or parent. ie its subjective, anyone can claim to be having a bad time and that "hey i forget things, im a clutz!" now i have adhd.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  Pain is entirely subjective and self reported, but we are still pretty sure it exists, and we have medical treatments for it.
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    Pain is a symptom not a disease Im not saying clumsiness, anxiety or forgetfulness dont exist either
    - anonymars 1y ago
      Does fibromyalgia exist? Tension headaches? What about chronic fatigue or irritable bowel syndrome? How are they diagnosed?
      - skeezyboy 1y ago
        Whats that got to do with clumsiness and forgetfulness being a disease?
        anonymars 1y ago
        They are all subjective, arbitrary, "not observable", "in the mind", "not objective"
      - skeezyboy 1y ago
        Pain is a symptom of all those diseases, which is why is said "Pain is a symptom not a disease"
        anonymars 1y ago
        Yet the threshold is vague and arbitrary
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    And with ADHD youre saying im more clumsy than normal, but we cannot define normal and we cannot even define abnormal - its completely upto the patient to say if they think its abnormal - unless its a kid then its normally the parent making the claim
- anonymars 1y ago
  Physical pain is subjective too. What isn't? It also appears all the qualifiers are removed, for example * Often appears not to be listening when spoken to * Frequently loses items required for tasks and activities * Is frequently easily distracted by extraneous stimuli * Often forgets daily activities * Is frequently reluctant to engage in tasks which require sustained attention and so on. Everyone forgets a name or a word every once in a while and that doesn't mean they are senile, yet we recognize senility exists past a threshold.
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    but the threshold is vague and arbirtary.
    - anonymars 1y ago
      As it is with the other examples. So if it can't be measured it doesn't exist? Is this the dead spirit of Robert McNamara?
      - skeezyboy 1y ago
        >So if it can't be measured it doesn't exist? Nah. If its vague and arbitrary maybe it should be the basis of a medical condition
        anonymars 1y ago
        Then I guess it's a good thing you're not a doctor, because that's life -- trying to make the best of subjective/incomplete information
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    and theres nothing subjective about a broken leg, no two doctors would disagree on a broken leg like they would disagree over mental health conditions. you meant to say physical "health" is subjective, ie what we class as "unhealthy".
- notfromhere 1y ago
  i'm confused as to why you think you're suddenly the arbiter of the lived experience of others? all of the questions you're asking are things that are easily found online, but something makes me think you're not after knowledge.
- danaris 1y ago
  Are you really here trying to claim that ADHD is not a real developmental disorder? To a bunch of people who have lived all their lives with ADHD? Yes, the symptoms of ADHD are mostly things that most people experience sometimes in their lives. The reason it's a disorder is because they occur commonly enough to affect our lives. This is not that dissimilar from many other neurodivergencies and mental health issues: Many people feel anxious from time to time. Many people enjoy the rush of gambling from time to time. Most people do not have clinical anxiety or gambling addiction. Next time you're tempted to come into a thread of people talking about a widely-recognized developmental disorder or mental health problem and drop your superior wisdom that actually, it's not real, and you're much more rational and intelligent than we all are, because you can recognize that the diagnostic criteria are "subjective," which is the same as saying they're meaningless, please consider turning off your computer and going outside instead.
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    > Many people feel anxious from time to time...Most people do not have clinical anxiety. This is the point Im trying to make to you. Just because youre forgetful, awkward socially, clumsy or find things boring - you dont have a disorder.

Not quite? Here's the DSM-5 criteria: https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_toolkit/adhd19-assessment-table1.pdf https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/patient_care/adhd_to...

skeezyboy 1y ago

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542354234235 1y ago
Additional context. > Symptoms and/or behaviors that have persisted ≥ 6 months in ≥ 2 settings (e.g., school, home, church). Symptoms have negatively impacted academic, social, and/or occupational functioning. Inpatients aged < 17 years, ≥ 6 symptoms are necessary; in those aged ≥ 17 years, ≥ 5 symptoms are necessary. Clearly these aren't saying "have they ever misplaced anything?" or "have they ever forgotten anything?". Sure, most people have had some of these things happen some of the time. Yeah, all kids find homework boring, but most kids are still able to do it. Most kids forget things, but aren't losing multiple coats every winter. Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function. it only has to negatively impact academic, social or occupational functioning - according to the patient or parent. ie its subjective, anyone can claim to be having a bad time and that "hey i forget things, im a clutz!" now i have adhd.
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
Pain is entirely subjective and self reported, but we are still pretty sure it exists, and we have medical treatments for it.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  Pain is a symptom not a disease Im not saying clumsiness, anxiety or forgetfulness dont exist either
  - anonymars 1y ago
    Does fibromyalgia exist? Tension headaches? What about chronic fatigue or irritable bowel syndrome? How are they diagnosed?
    - skeezyboy 1y ago
      Whats that got to do with clumsiness and forgetfulness being a disease?
      - anonymars 1y ago
        They are all subjective, arbitrary, "not observable", "in the mind", "not objective"
    - skeezyboy 1y ago
      Pain is a symptom of all those diseases, which is why is said "Pain is a symptom not a disease"
      - anonymars 1y ago
        Yet the threshold is vague and arbitrary
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  And with ADHD youre saying im more clumsy than normal, but we cannot define normal and we cannot even define abnormal - its completely upto the patient to say if they think its abnormal - unless its a kid then its normally the parent making the claim
anonymars 1y ago
Physical pain is subjective too. What isn't? It also appears all the qualifiers are removed, for example * Often appears not to be listening when spoken to * Frequently loses items required for tasks and activities * Is frequently easily distracted by extraneous stimuli * Often forgets daily activities * Is frequently reluctant to engage in tasks which require sustained attention and so on. Everyone forgets a name or a word every once in a while and that doesn't mean they are senile, yet we recognize senility exists past a threshold.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  but the threshold is vague and arbirtary.
  - anonymars 1y ago
    As it is with the other examples. So if it can't be measured it doesn't exist? Is this the dead spirit of Robert McNamara?
    - skeezyboy 1y ago
      >So if it can't be measured it doesn't exist? Nah. If its vague and arbitrary maybe it should be the basis of a medical condition
      - anonymars 1y ago
        Then I guess it's a good thing you're not a doctor, because that's life -- trying to make the best of subjective/incomplete information
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  and theres nothing subjective about a broken leg, no two doctors would disagree on a broken leg like they would disagree over mental health conditions. you meant to say physical "health" is subjective, ie what we class as "unhealthy".
notfromhere 1y ago
i'm confused as to why you think you're suddenly the arbiter of the lived experience of others? all of the questions you're asking are things that are easily found online, but something makes me think you're not after knowledge.
danaris 1y ago
Are you really here trying to claim that ADHD is not a real developmental disorder? To a bunch of people who have lived all their lives with ADHD? Yes, the symptoms of ADHD are mostly things that most people experience sometimes in their lives. The reason it's a disorder is because they occur commonly enough to affect our lives. This is not that dissimilar from many other neurodivergencies and mental health issues: Many people feel anxious from time to time. Many people enjoy the rush of gambling from time to time. Most people do not have clinical anxiety or gambling addiction. Next time you're tempted to come into a thread of people talking about a widely-recognized developmental disorder or mental health problem and drop your superior wisdom that actually, it's not real, and you're much more rational and intelligent than we all are, because you can recognize that the diagnostic criteria are "subjective," which is the same as saying they're meaningless, please consider turning off your computer and going outside instead.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  > Many people feel anxious from time to time...Most people do not have clinical anxiety. This is the point Im trying to make to you. Just because youre forgetful, awkward socially, clumsy or find things boring - you dont have a disorder.