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> EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." And yet they are still pushing [0] [0] https://edri.org/our-work/despite-w

> EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." And yet they are still pushing [0] [0] https://edri.org/our-work/despite-warning-from-lawyers-eu-governments-push-for-mass-surveillance-of-our-digital-private-lives/ https://edri.org/our-work/despite-warning-from-lawyers-eu-go...

fao_ 1y ago
It's almost like huge organizations built off the backs of many different parties working in tandem, will at times have contradictory aims.
- zosima 1y ago
  In that case it would be nice to see any effort from EU against government surveillance. Sure GDPR and what not, but they're full of loopholes for allowing government to do what private parties are not.
  - petre 1y ago
    Certain EU citizens remeber the Stasi & friends. That's why Chat Control should be associated with the Stasi by anyone opposing it.
  - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
    EU is trying to implemement chat control... again. That's their effort. https://stopchatcontrol.eu/ https://stopchatcontrol.eu/ It would be nice if we removed the security guards for politicans, and if they're not doing bad stuff, they have nothing to fear.
  - permo-w 1y ago
    the EU has literally banned facial recognition by law enforcement across the entire bloc. HN has terrible EU Derangement Syndrome: any time its mentioned here, suddenly there are tens of people lining up to blindly shit on it, usually for laws it hasn't actually passed, or literal anti-truths like your comment, despite the fact that it is consistently passing the best tech-focused laws of any major governmental body anywhere, and the proposed laws that everyone repeatedly loses their minds over have never once actually come to pass. even when they released the DMA and DSA, possibly the two most HN-friendly pieces of legislation of all time, half the comments were attempts at criticism, basically seemingly because people here just love to hate the EU, sans facts
    - zosima 1y ago
      > the EU has literally banned facial recognition by law enforcement across the entire bloc. This is simply wrong: They have banned _live_ facial recognition - and with exemptions such as e.g. for terrorism and other severe crimes, which is becoming quite broad. They are allowing facial recognition when done after-the-fact for law enforcement. Probably also for petty crimes.
      - permo-w 1y ago
        https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20240308IPR19015/artificial-intelligence-act-meps-adopt-landmark-law https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20240308IP... if you're going to change the central focus of your comment, do it in a reply not an edit
        zosima 1y ago
        I edited mine after you edited yours. Here is an article about live/post facial recognition: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ai-facial-recognition-tech-act-late-tweaks-attack-civil-rights-key-lawmaker-hahn-warns/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ai-facial-recognition-tec...
        permo-w 1y ago
        I edited mine to add additional observation, leaving the central focus the same. your edit entirely changed the meaning of your comment, changing the meaning of my reply

fao_ 1y ago

It's almost like huge organizations built off the backs of many different parties working in tandem, will at times have contradictory aims.

zosima 1y ago
In that case it would be nice to see any effort from EU against government surveillance. Sure GDPR and what not, but they're full of loopholes for allowing government to do what private parties are not.
- petre 1y ago
  Certain EU citizens remeber the Stasi & friends. That's why Chat Control should be associated with the Stasi by anyone opposing it.
- ajsnigrutin 1y ago
  EU is trying to implemement chat control... again. That's their effort. https://stopchatcontrol.eu/ https://stopchatcontrol.eu/ It would be nice if we removed the security guards for politicans, and if they're not doing bad stuff, they have nothing to fear.
- permo-w 1y ago
  the EU has literally banned facial recognition by law enforcement across the entire bloc. HN has terrible EU Derangement Syndrome: any time its mentioned here, suddenly there are tens of people lining up to blindly shit on it, usually for laws it hasn't actually passed, or literal anti-truths like your comment, despite the fact that it is consistently passing the best tech-focused laws of any major governmental body anywhere, and the proposed laws that everyone repeatedly loses their minds over have never once actually come to pass. even when they released the DMA and DSA, possibly the two most HN-friendly pieces of legislation of all time, half the comments were attempts at criticism, basically seemingly because people here just love to hate the EU, sans facts
  - zosima 1y ago
    > the EU has literally banned facial recognition by law enforcement across the entire bloc. This is simply wrong: They have banned _live_ facial recognition - and with exemptions such as e.g. for terrorism and other severe crimes, which is becoming quite broad. They are allowing facial recognition when done after-the-fact for law enforcement. Probably also for petty crimes.
    - permo-w 1y ago
      https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20240308IPR19015/artificial-intelligence-act-meps-adopt-landmark-law https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20240308IP... if you're going to change the central focus of your comment, do it in a reply not an edit
      - zosima 1y ago
        I edited mine after you edited yours. Here is an article about live/post facial recognition: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ai-facial-recognition-tech-act-late-tweaks-attack-civil-rights-key-lawmaker-hahn-warns/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ai-facial-recognition-tec...
        permo-w 1y ago
        I edited mine to add additional observation, leaving the central focus the same. your edit entirely changed the meaning of your comment, changing the meaning of my reply