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HN applauds this vibe-coded “privacy” site yet condemns decentralized messaging. States control what’s centralized; incentives ensure they keep doing so. Prot

HN applauds this vibe-coded “privacy” site yet condemns decentralized messaging. States control what’s centralized; incentives ensure they keep doing so. Protesting it is like arguing with a thermostat—it can’t hear you, and it’s built to tighten control. As technologists, we have a lot more power than we realise. (Yes, I’m speaking to the blob, but the Venn overlap of anti-crypto and pro-this seems big.)

drapado 1y ago
Genuely curious. What would the problem be if it was vibe-coded? It's an easy to read site that succeeds in communicating what it wants.
- ukprogrammer 1y ago
  there's no problem with it being vibe-coded The point is that the site, contacting your local MEP, and all the discussion in this thread, is pointless to affect some kind of durable societal change Pointing out that it's vibe-coded just emphasises that all of the above actions are just low-effort cope
  - Nemo_bis 1y ago
    Can you suggest an alternative action?
    - trallnag 1y ago
      Maybe accelerating is an option
    - ukprogrammer 1y ago
      Decentralised messaging providers Can't enforce everyone to scan What are you going to do? Arrest everyone?
      - jack1243star 1y ago
        > What are you going to do? Arrest everyone? Just like in any other authoritarian state, you make examples. People will quickly learn how to self-police (and to turn enemies in).
sunaookami 1y ago
>decentralized messaging This doesn't help, Chat Control scanner run directly on your device. It doesn't matter which chat program you use.
- ukprogrammer 1y ago
  Incorrect > ... providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content [1] Even if that were the case, the answer is the Framework phone [1] https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
  - sunaookami 1y ago
    >On 11 May 2022 the European Commission presented a proposal which would make chat control searching mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers and would even apply to so far securely end-to-end encrypted communication services And scanning end-to-end encrypted is only possible on-device. And of course the next step is that the EU will mandate that every device needs to implement this scanning, they are very aggressive with this stuff. Framework phone won't help you in this case, this is obviously the next step. That's why we have to fight against it. Reminder that soon online age verification with an app that can only be downloaded from the Play Store and used within a "trusted environment" (e.g. SafetyNet) will be mandatory.

drapado 1y ago

Genuely curious. What would the problem be if it was vibe-coded? It's an easy to read site that succeeds in communicating what it wants.

ukprogrammer 1y ago
there's no problem with it being vibe-coded The point is that the site, contacting your local MEP, and all the discussion in this thread, is pointless to affect some kind of durable societal change Pointing out that it's vibe-coded just emphasises that all of the above actions are just low-effort cope
- Nemo_bis 1y ago
  Can you suggest an alternative action?
  - trallnag 1y ago
    Maybe accelerating is an option
  - ukprogrammer 1y ago
    Decentralised messaging providers Can't enforce everyone to scan What are you going to do? Arrest everyone?
    - jack1243star 1y ago
      > What are you going to do? Arrest everyone? Just like in any other authoritarian state, you make examples. People will quickly learn how to self-police (and to turn enemies in).

sunaookami 1y ago

>decentralized messaging This doesn't help, Chat Control scanner run directly on your device. It doesn't matter which chat program you use.

ukprogrammer 1y ago
Incorrect > ... providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content [1] Even if that were the case, the answer is the Framework phone [1] https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
- sunaookami 1y ago
  >On 11 May 2022 the European Commission presented a proposal which would make chat control searching mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers and would even apply to so far securely end-to-end encrypted communication services And scanning end-to-end encrypted is only possible on-device. And of course the next step is that the EU will mandate that every device needs to implement this scanning, they are very aggressive with this stuff. Framework phone won't help you in this case, this is obviously the next step. That's why we have to fight against it. Reminder that soon online age verification with an app that can only be downloaded from the Play Store and used within a "trusted environment" (e.g. SafetyNet) will be mandatory.