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Nazis had racial laws. As you did, by the way, just not towards jews, remember? Something which the communists have not done. And I think it ruins your theory,

Nazis had racial laws. As you did, by the way, just not towards jews, remember? Something which the communists have not done. And I think it ruins your theory, as well as the communusm equals nazism equation, so beloved by your propaganda

throwaway3060 1y ago
That's because the communists found a workaround; they were the first to invent the idea that they could just officially target discrimination against "Zionists" and "cosmopolitans" and just lob that accusation against any Jew, effectively legalizing state antisemitism under a different name.
- LtWorf 1y ago
  Uh? Initially USSR was in favour of Israel… Until they started to do what Israel does…
  - throwaway3060 1y ago
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    - LtWorf 1y ago
      Use your real account, don't hide :) Then reply to me and I'll take the time to reply.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  It amuses me that the libertarians are bearing this torch now.
- justsomejew 1y ago
  Easy to claim, only that the claim is false. It was not so much about jews being jews (would you claim that there were no jews in science, engineering, hospitals?). Having quotas in top universities is what you try to do now with asian students (by this I do not mean to negate the fact that lives of many jews were ruined because of these quotas). And the true nature of "Zionism" can be seen by everyone today. The "zionists" do not even try to hide it. I mean Zionism in the "Zeev" Zhabotinskiy sense. Go read his "Wall of Iron".
  - throwaway3060 1y ago
    Funny you mention Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky's beliefs were formed from the proof playing out in front of him, that not even the Ukrainians, the second largest ethnicity in the Russian empire, could get even a semblance of fairness out of the Russian empire. If the Ukrainians failed, what chance did the even fewer Jews have? Trying to understand Jabotinsky without understanding the world he was born into is like trying to put modern beliefs onto Alexander the Great. If you were a Jewish person of ordinary means, certain engineering paths were completely barred to you in the USSR. Keep in mind, engineering and math were the most prestigious forms of STEM for the Soviets. So are you trying to claim the Doctor's Plot case, the assasination of Solomon Mikhoels, the rootless cosmopolitan campaign, Soviet "Zionology", that all those just didn't happen? People were around for those you know.
  - justsomejew 1y ago
    To the person who replied, saying "some engineering paths were barred". I have not negated the facts, just tried to put them in true perspective, which I think is lacking in your response.
    - throwaway3060 1y ago
      You said that my claim is false. I'm not sure what true perspective you are referring to that could show that. The situation was far more severe than just "quotas at top universities". That the Stalin years ended in a campaign of barely disguised antisemitism is also just fact.
    - justsomejew 1y ago
      Again, cannot reply directly. What I said was false, is saying, or suggesting, that what happened to the jews in Soviet Union was like what happened to the jews in nazi Germany. It was not. By this I am not negating not Stalin repressions, not the "Doctors affair", not the fact that many gifted people could not realize their potential in a way they could have had otherwise.
      - throwaway3060 1y ago
ivan_gammel 1y ago
> Something which the communists have not done. Except when they effectively enslaved people on the basis of their ethnicity (the reality of being Soviet German, Crimean Tatar or Chechen in 1940-early 1950s). My German grandfather was taken into Labor Army (forced labor institution) as soon as he turned 16 (in 1952). He obviously wasn’t a Nazi collaborator. He was fully rehabilitated only in 1990. Soviet communist policies towards ethnic minorities often did involve oppression and almost genocidal treatment. That fact of course should not be used to paint an all-black picture. Late USSR wasn’t bad at all for our family, creating a lot of opportunities.
matheusmoreira 1y ago
The original statement was "they cannot be compared". I said they could be compared. In order to demonstrate that, I drew parallels between both ideologies. I never claimed they were equal. Not once.

throwaway3060 1y ago

That's because the communists found a workaround; they were the first to invent the idea that they could just officially target discrimination against "Zionists" and "cosmopolitans" and just lob that accusation against any Jew, effectively legalizing state antisemitism under a different name.

LtWorf 1y ago
Uh? Initially USSR was in favour of Israel… Until they started to do what Israel does…
- throwaway3060 1y ago
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  - LtWorf 1y ago
    Use your real account, don't hide :) Then reply to me and I'll take the time to reply.
cosmicgadget 1y ago
It amuses me that the libertarians are bearing this torch now.
justsomejew 1y ago
Easy to claim, only that the claim is false. It was not so much about jews being jews (would you claim that there were no jews in science, engineering, hospitals?). Having quotas in top universities is what you try to do now with asian students (by this I do not mean to negate the fact that lives of many jews were ruined because of these quotas). And the true nature of "Zionism" can be seen by everyone today. The "zionists" do not even try to hide it. I mean Zionism in the "Zeev" Zhabotinskiy sense. Go read his "Wall of Iron".
- throwaway3060 1y ago
  Funny you mention Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky's beliefs were formed from the proof playing out in front of him, that not even the Ukrainians, the second largest ethnicity in the Russian empire, could get even a semblance of fairness out of the Russian empire. If the Ukrainians failed, what chance did the even fewer Jews have? Trying to understand Jabotinsky without understanding the world he was born into is like trying to put modern beliefs onto Alexander the Great. If you were a Jewish person of ordinary means, certain engineering paths were completely barred to you in the USSR. Keep in mind, engineering and math were the most prestigious forms of STEM for the Soviets. So are you trying to claim the Doctor's Plot case, the assasination of Solomon Mikhoels, the rootless cosmopolitan campaign, Soviet "Zionology", that all those just didn't happen? People were around for those you know.
- justsomejew 1y ago
  To the person who replied, saying "some engineering paths were barred". I have not negated the facts, just tried to put them in true perspective, which I think is lacking in your response.
  - throwaway3060 1y ago
    You said that my claim is false. I'm not sure what true perspective you are referring to that could show that. The situation was far more severe than just "quotas at top universities". That the Stalin years ended in a campaign of barely disguised antisemitism is also just fact.
  - justsomejew 1y ago
    Again, cannot reply directly. What I said was false, is saying, or suggesting, that what happened to the jews in Soviet Union was like what happened to the jews in nazi Germany. It was not. By this I am not negating not Stalin repressions, not the "Doctors affair", not the fact that many gifted people could not realize their potential in a way they could have had otherwise.
    - throwaway3060 1y ago

ivan_gammel 1y ago

> Something which the communists have not done. Except when they effectively enslaved people on the basis of their ethnicity (the reality of being Soviet German, Crimean Tatar or Chechen in 1940-early 1950s). My German grandfather was taken into Labor Army (forced labor institution) as soon as he turned 16 (in 1952). He obviously wasn’t a Nazi collaborator. He was fully rehabilitated only in 1990. Soviet communist policies towards ethnic minorities often did involve oppression and almost genocidal treatment. That fact of course should not be used to paint an all-black picture. Late USSR wasn’t bad at all for our family, creating a lot of opportunities.

matheusmoreira 1y ago

The original statement was "they cannot be compared". I said they could be compared. In order to demonstrate that, I drew parallels between both ideologies. I never claimed they were equal. Not once.