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what's the problem with that? we have erotic texts dating back thousands of years, basically as old as the act of writing itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

what's the problem with that? we have erotic texts dating back thousands of years, basically as old as the act of writing itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_2461 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_2461

philipkglass 1y ago
There's nothing wrong with it, but you have to understand the differences between different user groups to know which limitations are relevant to your own use cases. "It doesn't follow instructions" could mean "it won't pretend to be a horny elf" or "it hallucinates fields outside the JSON schema I specified"; the latter is much more of a problem for my uses.
- dullcrisp 1y ago
  { "race": "elf", "horny": false ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unsupported value.
  - bee_rider 1y ago
    Really, if you want a fey creature with horns, a satyr is probably a better bet than an elf.
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wmf 1y ago
I have no problem with it and I can understand why people don't want to say "I'm trying to pornify this model and it refuses to talk dirty!" in public. But if you're calling a model garbage maybe you should be honest about what the "problem" is.
- lmm 1y ago
  Why? Is there any reason to believe problems in that context won't generalise?
  - mh- 1y ago
    Lots, yes. The fine tuning may attempt to introduce concepts that were intentionally omitted from the training data for safety* reasons. Maybe nothing wrong with that, but it might mean that the perceived weaknesses don't generalize to an area of the model that hasn't been lobotomized. * using safety the way OpenAI have been using the term, not looking to debate the utility of that.
  - mvdtnz 1y ago
    Are you serious? Of course there are reasons to believe they won't generalise.
michaelt 1y ago
The pro-porn side has zero PR because respectable public figures don't see pro-porn advocacy as a good career move. At most, you'll get some oblique references to it. Meanwhile, the anti-porn side has a formidable alliance: Right-wing, religiously-motivated anti-porn activists. Left-wing, feminism-motivated anti-porn activists. Big corporate types with lots of $$$$ to spend who want their customer support chatbot to be completely SFW at all times. AI safety folk who think keeping the model on a tight leash is an ethical obligation, lest future iterations take over the world. AI vendors who are keen on the yes-it-might-take-over-the-world narrative. AI vendors who just don't want their developers having to handle NSFW stuff in work. Politicians who don't know a transformer from a diffusion model, but who've heard a chorus of worries about lost jobs and AI bias and deepfakes and revenge porn. These people will speak up in public at the drop of a hat.
- sterlind 1y ago
  on the other hand, Musk et al are building AI-powered thirst traps, like Grok's "Ani", or the accursed Replika bots (whose user base went on suicide watch when the company abruptly decided to digitally neuter their "companions.") erotic roleplay, imo, is much less harmful than using LLMs as surrogate partners. porn and sex workers have existed for millenia. they're an outlet for sexual tension. they don't alleviate feeling lonely or provide an alternative to human companionship. I'm worried we'll produce a generation of hikkikomoris, who eschew human connection for sycophantic machines that always listen and never breaks their heart.
  - danw1979 1y ago
    The founding story of Replika (c.2016 ?) sounds like someone watched Black Mirror S2E02 (2013) and didn’t quite understand it was supposed to be dystopian.
  - jondwillis 1y ago
    We already have a generation of hikkikomoris stepping up at bat. The ones behind them in line will be something else altogether!
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nickpsecurity 1y ago
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- jondwillis 1y ago
  There’s some wisdom in whatever version of the translation of a translation of a translation of a memory of an oral story that you’re reading and lazily thrusting at a bunch of tech bros and bots, but just as much distortion, manipulation, and human ability to misunderstand and oversimplify.
- throwuxiytayq 1y ago
  i think god did a fairly hack job overall and i’ll gladly en masse commit acts that please me and fail to please his non-existent ass. i’d even turn gay but that’s a bit out of my comfort zone
  - mrob 1y ago
    nickpsecurity's post is currently flagged so I can't reply directly, but I think it's important to clarify that traditional Christian sexual morality aims to maximize population growth. The full list of sexual sins includes one that nickpsecurity missed: sodomy. Sodomy traditionally includes oral sex. The only logical reason to ban oral sex within marriage is to encourage reproduction. Although the Bible does not explicitly forbid birth control, this interpretation is consistent with the demand to "be fruitful and multiply", and forbidding non-procreative sexual activity is mainstream Catholic doctrine. We've staved off the Malthusian crisis so far, with the Green Revolution and the various social and technological changes that triggered the demographic transition, but evolution does not stop. We already see higher population growth in the highly religious, and religiosity is heritable, especially in adults. This study found 44% heritability for adult religiosity: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15745438/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15745438/ It would be a great mistake to assume that overpopulation is no longer a risk, and considering the role that religion plays in it I think traditional Christian sexual morality is a great threat to "stable, prosperous, and peaceful societies" in the long term. (And even outside marriage oral sex is objectively safer than penetrative sex, although I can understand Christians rejecting the harm-reduction argument.)

philipkglass 1y ago

There's nothing wrong with it, but you have to understand the differences between different user groups to know which limitations are relevant to your own use cases. "It doesn't follow instructions" could mean "it won't pretend to be a horny elf" or "it hallucinates fields outside the JSON schema I specified"; the latter is much more of a problem for my uses.

dullcrisp 1y ago
{ "race": "elf", "horny": false ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unsupported value.
- bee_rider 1y ago
  Really, if you want a fey creature with horns, a satyr is probably a better bet than an elf.
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wmf 1y ago

I have no problem with it and I can understand why people don't want to say "I'm trying to pornify this model and it refuses to talk dirty!" in public. But if you're calling a model garbage maybe you should be honest about what the "problem" is.

lmm 1y ago
Why? Is there any reason to believe problems in that context won't generalise?
- mh- 1y ago
  Lots, yes. The fine tuning may attempt to introduce concepts that were intentionally omitted from the training data for safety* reasons. Maybe nothing wrong with that, but it might mean that the perceived weaknesses don't generalize to an area of the model that hasn't been lobotomized. * using safety the way OpenAI have been using the term, not looking to debate the utility of that.
- mvdtnz 1y ago
  Are you serious? Of course there are reasons to believe they won't generalise.

michaelt 1y ago

The pro-porn side has zero PR because respectable public figures don't see pro-porn advocacy as a good career move. At most, you'll get some oblique references to it. Meanwhile, the anti-porn side has a formidable alliance: Right-wing, religiously-motivated anti-porn activists. Left-wing, feminism-motivated anti-porn activists. Big corporate types with lots of $$$$ to spend who want their customer support chatbot to be completely SFW at all times. AI safety folk who think keeping the model on a tight leash is an ethical obligation, lest future iterations take over the world. AI vendors who are keen on the yes-it-might-take-over-the-world narrative. AI vendors who just don't want their developers having to handle NSFW stuff in work. Politicians who don't know a transformer from a diffusion model, but who've heard a chorus of worries about lost jobs and AI bias and deepfakes and revenge porn. These people will speak up in public at the drop of a hat.

sterlind 1y ago
on the other hand, Musk et al are building AI-powered thirst traps, like Grok's "Ani", or the accursed Replika bots (whose user base went on suicide watch when the company abruptly decided to digitally neuter their "companions.") erotic roleplay, imo, is much less harmful than using LLMs as surrogate partners. porn and sex workers have existed for millenia. they're an outlet for sexual tension. they don't alleviate feeling lonely or provide an alternative to human companionship. I'm worried we'll produce a generation of hikkikomoris, who eschew human connection for sycophantic machines that always listen and never breaks their heart.
- danw1979 1y ago
  The founding story of Replika (c.2016 ?) sounds like someone watched Black Mirror S2E02 (2013) and didn’t quite understand it was supposed to be dystopian.
- jondwillis 1y ago
  We already have a generation of hikkikomoris stepping up at bat. The ones behind them in line will be something else altogether!
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nickpsecurity 1y ago

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jondwillis 1y ago
There’s some wisdom in whatever version of the translation of a translation of a translation of a memory of an oral story that you’re reading and lazily thrusting at a bunch of tech bros and bots, but just as much distortion, manipulation, and human ability to misunderstand and oversimplify.
throwuxiytayq 1y ago
i think god did a fairly hack job overall and i’ll gladly en masse commit acts that please me and fail to please his non-existent ass. i’d even turn gay but that’s a bit out of my comfort zone
- mrob 1y ago
  nickpsecurity's post is currently flagged so I can't reply directly, but I think it's important to clarify that traditional Christian sexual morality aims to maximize population growth. The full list of sexual sins includes one that nickpsecurity missed: sodomy. Sodomy traditionally includes oral sex. The only logical reason to ban oral sex within marriage is to encourage reproduction. Although the Bible does not explicitly forbid birth control, this interpretation is consistent with the demand to "be fruitful and multiply", and forbidding non-procreative sexual activity is mainstream Catholic doctrine. We've staved off the Malthusian crisis so far, with the Green Revolution and the various social and technological changes that triggered the demographic transition, but evolution does not stop. We already see higher population growth in the highly religious, and religiosity is heritable, especially in adults. This study found 44% heritability for adult religiosity: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15745438/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15745438/ It would be a great mistake to assume that overpopulation is no longer a risk, and considering the role that religion plays in it I think traditional Christian sexual morality is a great threat to "stable, prosperous, and peaceful societies" in the long term. (And even outside marriage oral sex is objectively safer than penetrative sex, although I can understand Christians rejecting the harm-reduction argument.)