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Israel relying on Microsoft cloud for expansive surveillance of Palestinians
- monkey_monkey 1y agoToday it's Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Tomorrow it's you.
- grafmax 1y agoAlso known as the imperial boomerang. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
- 4gotunameagain 1y agoIn the context of surveillance or in the context of a genocide ?! I must assume you mean the first one, because Israel would not survive without the US
- NomDePlum 1y agoFor some people "you" is not the US. So both could apply.
- QuadmasterXLII 1y agoNorth Korea survives just fine without the US. Nukes are enough.
- HappyPanacea 1y ago[flagged]
- cyanydeez 1y agoIts already you, but capitalism. It'll be this soon enough if republicanism continues.
- HappyPanacea 1y agoCapitalism is just a reflection of people being self-interested which you can't prevent without being authoritarian which will inevitably leads also to surveillance.
- cassianoleal 1y ago> Capitalism is just a reflection of people being self-interested I don't think that's the case. I think most people are not self-interested, or at least not in the selfish sense. I think most people are more than willing to sacrifice _some_ direct personal gain for better community gains. The problem is that capitalism only allows selfish self-interest to flourish, so it incentivises even the more community-oriented people to always put themselves first, a lot of the time even in detriment to their immediate vicinity. Capitalism is a form of authoritarianism in that it really only serves a few, and everyone else is just constantly fighting for survival. > being authoritarian which will inevitably leads also to surveillance That's exactly where capitalism is taking us.
- randomcarbloke 1y ago>or at least not in the selfish sense Wasn't a requirement, self interest doesn't imply malice. >capitalism only allows selfish self-interest to flourish How's that then? >Capitalism is a form of authoritarianism in that it really only serves a few You're cooked, market liberalisation has led the world from >80% in poverty to <10% in under 40 years, even removing huge entities like China.
- grafmax 1y agoPoverty reduction has largely been the result of China’s mixed economy not unbridled capitalism. Guided markets have played a role there - but that’s because they were guided. We don’t have to accept the authoritarianism or any of other effect of markets, simply because markets have played a role in some of the positive outcomes of the past. In fact for the last 50 years in the global north, roughly the same timeframe, productivity has continued to grow but most of that growth has accrued to the wealthiest and relatively little of that benefit has been seen by the median worker.
- NomDePlum 1y agoWhat's the fiduciary duty here for Microsoft C-suite when it is supplying infrastructure and services that assist in underpinning war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide? There are a number of big name tech companies associated with similar through their collaborations with the Nazi's, IBM etc. Did that have any effect on those companies that might inform what could happen to Microsoft and others?
- actionfromafar 1y agoI think the consequence was mostly that IBM made a lot of money.
- gxnxcxcx 1y agoGates: [smirks] All right...
- gxnxcxcx 1y agoI shall amend my flawed recollection of the facts: it was a chuckle, not a smirk. https://www.theverge.com/news/643777/microsoft-bill-gates-steve-ballmer-satya-nadella-employee-protestor https://www.theverge.com/news/643777/microsoft-bill-gates-st...
- bastard_op 1y agoProbably the same smirk he gave his (former) wife when she asked exactly how he knew his friend Jeffrey Epstein.
- kiwikan 1y agothis will probably get flagged in a couple of hours
- arp242 1y agoWas already flagged. I vouched it and it became unflagged. Now it's flagged again... (I don't think every story about this conflict should be on HN by the way, as a "major on-going topic". But IMHO this particular story seemed like a good one as it intersects with tech and is something actually new, at least to some degree).
- lr0 1y agoIt's flagged again. What's vouching?
- arp242 1y agoThere's a "vouch" button on flagged comments and some flagged stories, which will unflag a story. I'm not entirely sure under which conditions it's available on flagged stories (it's almost always there for flagged comments). I think it probably gets disabled after it got flagged → vouched → flagged, or something? You need at least 500 (or more?) reputation points regardless.
- lr0 1y agoI have >1800 reps and I've never seen that
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y agoIt's only on [dead] items, not [flagged]. Sometimes it's [flagged][dead] but the only thing that matters for allowing to vouch is if it's [dead].
- netsharc 1y agoIn the documentary (in the form of cinéma vérité) The Act of Killing (1), the director learnt about "anti-communist" massacres in 1965 Indonesia, which was sanctioned by a regime whose successors were still in power in the modern times. He compared the atmosphere of the country as if he came to Germany 40 years after WW2, but with the Nazis having won it. He talks to some of the killers, and he found them not even regretful, but boastful - throughout the documentary, he learns that if they admitted they were wrong, they'd be having to admit to themselves that they murdered a lot of innocent people, so they'd rather construct a fantasy world where they're the good guys. There's even a musical segment of the documentary (he convinced the people to reimagine their doings in the style of 50's Hollywood movies they loved) where actors playing the victims thank the killers for saving them from godlessness and sending them to heaven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ta9To14yw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ta9To14yw I wonder how many of the genocide-defenders and genocide-enablers (not to mention genocide-executioners) will have similar PTSD... 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kJZb2Q1NmE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kJZb2Q1NmE
- gretteler 1y ago[dead]
- siltcakes 1y agoWhy is this flagged, and why can’t I vouch for it?
- fsflover 1y agoIt's not [dead], which means vouching already worked.
- fsflover 1y agoWhy am I downvoted? Here are some links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43134721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43134721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43744890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43744890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43538728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43538728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43268468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43268468
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago> Why am I downvoted? I would guess that it's because you said "already worked" which people probably read as meaning that it is now visible in /news.
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- ath3nd 1y ago> Why is this flagged, and why can’t I vouch for it? You know why it's flagged. Israel wants to continue doing its highly automated genocide silently without people questioning it an their cloud providers.
- nashadelic 1y agoWhile the headline is focused Microsoft the bigger story is the wanton violation of human rights, privacy and using this data in risk scores which I’m certain gets used in automated kill chains by Israel.
- zorobo 1y agoRight. However this is a tech/science focused news site so let's keep it that way.
- siltcakes 1y agoStoring phone calls en mass and using ai to target people based on what they say, is tech imho. This is like what Snowden revealed about PRISM, only stored on Microsoft’s servers and it’s used to kill people.
- atoav 1y agoSo it isn't tech focused, because that use of tech is a politically controversial and ethically questionable? Yeah, no that is not how this works. We in tech also need to be able to talk about about how the systems we build impact the world. And if we only talk about the positive sides, we are not getting the full picture.
- vFunct 1y agoSo why is it flagged?
- runarberg 1y agoThis is a story on how technology is used to in a systematic human rights abuse and a massive systemic government sanctioned privacy breach is being facilitated by a major tech company. This story should not be flagged.
- siltcakes 1y agoIt managed to get 105 upvotes despite being flagged. It’s important, relevant and clearly resonating with the audience here. Very shameful to bury it.
- doener 1y agoI don‘t understand why this flagged.
- ShonT 1y ago[dead]