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Really? I was not under the impression that we had anything truly competitive. Could we make an iPhone, for example, using only U.S.-made chips?

mathiaspoint 1y ago
We couldn't make an iPhone because apple would refuse to cooperate, not because of a technical limitation. We could make a similarly capable phone though.
- KerrAvon 1y ago
  Seriously, what is your basis for the assertion that we could do it here and Apple just doesn't wanna?
- robertjpayne 1y ago
  iPhone performance and battery life would likely slide back 5-10 years if Apple was forced to use Intel chips instead of TSMC today. Not just that, the raft of features that may have to be disabled until that performance and performance per watt gets back to where it is today.
  - nahnahno 1y ago
    Complete nonsense. Intel 18A, were yields good enough, is competitive with TSMC N2.
- ThunderSizzle 1y ago
  It's about time we tariff Apple as if it's a Chinese company anyway.
- KerrAvon 1y ago
  Oh? How many Android phones are made in America? How about the new Trump phone?
- kashunstva 1y ago
  > … because apple would refuse to cooperate… Apple’s putative refusal to cooperate is surely not the only barrier here. I doubt U.S. consumers would pay a premium for a U.S. iPhone whether Apple thought it wise or not. But when the U.S. president’s branded Made in America phone comes out later this year I guess we’ll see. I’m sure the release is just around the corner.
  - mathiaspoint 1y ago
    If the tariffs are high enough there won't be a premium. It also solves the deficit spending problem which needs to happen since no one seems to be able to handle the idea of any spending cuts.
  - wat10000 1y ago
    All we’ll see is how gullible certain Americans are, since that phone won’t be made in America.
saltcured 1y ago
I fondly remember my weird Razr-i with an Intel Atom CPU.. I can almost imagine we would have more trouble getting domestic phone screens, but I'm not doing any research to validate that gut feeling. I think the biggest problem would be whether we could automate assembly enough to avoid having high labor costs on each unit
numpad0 1y ago
At $499 today no. At $490k in 1-2yr maybe. At $4.9m/unit by 2032 at up to 1k unit/yr, sure you guys can.

mathiaspoint 1y ago

We couldn't make an iPhone because apple would refuse to cooperate, not because of a technical limitation. We could make a similarly capable phone though.

KerrAvon 1y ago
Seriously, what is your basis for the assertion that we could do it here and Apple just doesn't wanna?
robertjpayne 1y ago
iPhone performance and battery life would likely slide back 5-10 years if Apple was forced to use Intel chips instead of TSMC today. Not just that, the raft of features that may have to be disabled until that performance and performance per watt gets back to where it is today.
- nahnahno 1y ago
  Complete nonsense. Intel 18A, were yields good enough, is competitive with TSMC N2.
ThunderSizzle 1y ago
It's about time we tariff Apple as if it's a Chinese company anyway.
KerrAvon 1y ago
Oh? How many Android phones are made in America? How about the new Trump phone?
kashunstva 1y ago
> … because apple would refuse to cooperate… Apple’s putative refusal to cooperate is surely not the only barrier here. I doubt U.S. consumers would pay a premium for a U.S. iPhone whether Apple thought it wise or not. But when the U.S. president’s branded Made in America phone comes out later this year I guess we’ll see. I’m sure the release is just around the corner.
- mathiaspoint 1y ago
  If the tariffs are high enough there won't be a premium. It also solves the deficit spending problem which needs to happen since no one seems to be able to handle the idea of any spending cuts.
- wat10000 1y ago
  All we’ll see is how gullible certain Americans are, since that phone won’t be made in America.

saltcured 1y ago

I fondly remember my weird Razr-i with an Intel Atom CPU.. I can almost imagine we would have more trouble getting domestic phone screens, but I'm not doing any research to validate that gut feeling. I think the biggest problem would be whether we could automate assembly enough to avoid having high labor costs on each unit

numpad0 1y ago

At $499 today no. At $490k in 1-2yr maybe. At $4.9m/unit by 2032 at up to 1k unit/yr, sure you guys can.