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I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar so
by tlaverdure 1y ago
I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam".
The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.
- ilvez 1y agoReminds those early youtube days shredding overdub videos.. These were funny, but the Yellow Bus Jam seems just hollow and wrong. Feeling there's something from Steely Dan in that song..
- freetonik 1y agoReminded me of Steely Dan as well, but somehow off.
- stronglikedan 1y agoGet used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.
- kev009 1y agoThe "Don’t Let Me Go" and "Yellow Bus Jam" examples made me laugh out loud. This kind of thing would be great for a cyberpunk game that dynamically generates a reality, with (unintentional?) faux pas and jank. If you are an artist you could always slice, embellish, or otherwise process outputs into something so I guess it's not totally silly. But I get at best real estate video vibes, or unironic early '90s clip art and Comic Sans vibes and presumably some team of expensive marketers worked hard to select these examples, which is doubly hilarious.
- tlaverdure 1y agoI'm not anti-AI, but I strongly believe the human element of music can be imitated but not fully replicated. Listening back to that song I can hear the attempt to stylistically play slightly off-beat to get the feel of a band playing without a metronome. The auditory illusion is there, but it still sounds off. Playing behind the beat is a feeling; it's not a calculation. As a drummer keeps time, the band reacts by looking at the drummer’s hands and the sway in their posture. A drummer intensifies their playing as they respond to the feeling of air being pushed from guitar cabinets. A lead guitarist looks back at their friends and smiles when they are about to play that sweet lick that the bass player likes to play along with. These are just simple examples that make all the difference when you listen back. I also can't imagine paying hundreds of dollars to go see an AI "perform" this solo at a concert. When I listen to music, I'm remembering the moment, the feeling, what the artist was doing to create their art. So still... no thanks!
- kev009 1y agoAnthony Marinelli (guy behind MJ's Thriller synth jams) and Tim Pierce (accomplished session guitarist) riff on this https://youtu.be/OzuADujnEhQ?t=1205 https://youtu.be/OzuADujnEhQ?t=1205 recently. This whole video is a treat, as are most of Marinelli's. When I see AI salesmen thinking they can attack into art, I think they naively see it as inherently imprecise or arbitrary, and they think because their technology has these properties it will easily cross over. This is going to lead to a lot of faux pas (remember NFTs?); it would be prudent to attack problems where some kind of correctness can be mechanically judged... OCR and software development are reasonable verticals at opposite ends of complexity to focus on, and pursue artistic rendition in a more experimental way letting artists approach the technology and show how it is useful.
- conradfr 1y agoThese things won't replace rock stars, they will (or at least want to) replace the vast majority of the industry which is tv shows, movies, ads, etc, which the disclaimer as the end alludes to. It's a terrible thing.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago> Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing. it's okay to just say you're not that interested in music
- jfengel 1y agoPeople do often freak out when I say that.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoIt's live music for the win then.
- rogerrogerr 1y agoAs a non-music person, can confirm - if someone tried to tell me something through their instrument I would probably tell them it should have been an email. I can generally understand that music has moods, but don’t think I could distinguish human-generated music from silicon-generated music at this point (unless I recognize a specific artist, of which there are vanishingly few I’m capable of)
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- electrondood 1y agoI had the same sentiment, but also recall what generated human hands looked like a year ago vs. now. The solo was pretty funny though.
- Freedom5093 1y agoI thought it was pretty rhythmic I would've believed he's real, just passionate about music on his big yellow bus.
- aatd86 1y agoHave you tried suno? How does it compare?
- mrtksn 1y agoI know right? AI is in the uncanny valley still. But every now and then I stumble upon something made with AI. I have no proof but I'm convinced that the song here is AI made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL1Fg1QnDig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL1Fg1QnDig I liked it but it still feels like AI to me.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoI think we're just going to have to get used to it. That is, just drop worrying too much about whether something is AI and just stop at whether you like it or not.
- mrtksn 1y agoIt doesn't work like that, art is a package. At this point it's interesting that AI can do these things but the momen it wears off it stops being worthwhile. Artist + AI as a tool is working fine I believe but stuff produced by people who don't have taste shows.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoWell, that kind of bolsters my point though: if it sucks, hate it. Why invest so much energy and angst into whether it is AI or human?
- esafak 1y agoBecause trying to understand what the artist was thinking, saying, or trying to express is pointless if there is no artist.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoI was making the opposite point — if you hate it, you hate it — regardless of whether it is AI or not. You're having a problem with liking it only to find out later it is AI? Again, live music is the way to go then. Also, artists I like the most have a body of work that I like. If AI can fake that — create a body of work I like, cam relate to ... well, I guess I have to give credit to the machine.
- resist_futility 1y agoDoes it sound like something a human could play? You're not attacking how it sounds but what it's playing.
- LambdaComplex 1y agoWould it be physically possible to play? Yeah, probably. But it sounds terrible, and if I heard a band do it live, I would genuinely consider walking out of the venue.
- benchly 1y agoStill makes me want to give up. I just started learning keyboard and playing with synthesizers in the last 6 months or so with the intention of making game music and it's tough to not feel like I'm wasting my time. Game devs will go with what they can afford and who can blame them? The output is not perfect, but if the GenAI can do this now, what will it sound like a year from now? Two? Really takes the wind out of the sails of us newbies.
- canogat 1y agoChess players still play chess.
- raincole 1y agoIt's not even remotely comparable. Chess players are more like athletes. You need to be top 0.01% to make a living. You also need to start at a very, very young age. If the future for commercial artists/composers is comparable to chess players then the GP is doom already.
- 1shooner 1y ago>You need to be top 0.01% to make a living. The point was that people do it for the enjoyment of learning and improving, not because they are compensated.
- raincole 1y ago> Game devs will go with what they can afford and who can blame them? From the GP. They clearly expect to be compensated.
- prmoustache 1y agoOnly a tiny fraction of artists, and not even necessarily those you would call the best ones, are making a living of their art/performances/work. So yes that is still comparable.
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- LambdaComplex 1y agoThis comment inspired me to click the link and listen to the song. Wow, that was terrible. It's like it had all the individual components of a fast-paced blues/rock song, but they were put together by someone who had no idea of how music actually worked. And those guitar solos were terrible.
- jofzar 1y agoI really wonder if it's the singing are the reason, it's like amazingly off beat it's so jarring.
- cindyllm 1y ago[dead]