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You can set billing alerts and write a lambda function to respond and disable resources. Of course they don’t make it easy but if you don’t learn how to use lim

You can set billing alerts and write a lambda function to respond and disable resources. Of course they don’t make it easy but if you don’t learn how to use limits what do you expect? This argument amazes me. Cloud services require some degree of responsibility on the users side.

esafak 1y ago
So you're okay with turning your site off...
- mystraline 1y ago
  This a logical fallacy of false dilemma. I made it clear that you ask the user to choose between 'accept risk of overrun and keep running stuff', 'shut down all stuff on exceeding $ number', or even a 'shut down these services on exceeding number', or other possible ways to limit and control costs. The cloud companies do not want to permit this because they would lose money over surprise billing.
- verbify 1y ago
  Isn't that the definition of metered billing?
- dd36 1y ago
  Cats doing tricks has a limited budget.
- anothernewdude 1y ago
  YES!
gray_-_wolf 1y ago
Last time I was looking into this, is there not up to an hour of delay for the billing alerts? It did not seem possible to ensure you do not run over your budget.
mystraline 1y ago
This is complete utter hogwash. Up until recently, you could hit somebody else's S3 endpoint, no auth, and get 403's that would charge them 10s of thousands of dollars. Coudnt even firewall it. And no way to see, or anything. Number go up every 15-30 minutes in cost dashboard. Real responsibility is 'I have 100$ a month for cloud compute'. Give me a easy way to view it, and shut down if I exceed that. That's real responsibility, that Scamazon, Azure, Google - none of them 'permit'. They (and well, you) instead say "you can build some shitty clone of the functionality we should have provided, but we would make less money". Oh, and your lambda job? That too costs money. It should not cost more money to detect and stop stuff on 'too much cost' report. This should be a default feature of cloud: uncapped costs, or stop services
- scoreandmore 1y ago
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  - graemep 1y ago
    I am very far from being Gen Z and I agree that having the options to control costs is essential.
  - megaloblasto 1y ago
    Freaking Gen Z. They always want transparent pricing and limitations on corporate greed.
    - mystraline 1y ago
      What's funny is I'm a Xennial (1976-1983). I've seen the games and grift plenty enough times to call it out immediately. It is tiring, but its the same bullshit, different company.
  - geoffmanning 1y ago
    Maybe it's because "i'm a GenXer", but i am both extremely confused by what viewpoint is being labeled here in a way that is supposed to be clearly explained by such a broad characterization that is statiscally less accurate than an astrological sign and disappointed that even on hacker news we have to filter through such garbage. Oh, and yes, i believe cloud providers should be required to provide controls for users to easily limit their spend.

esafak 1y ago

So you're okay with turning your site off...

mystraline 1y ago
This a logical fallacy of false dilemma. I made it clear that you ask the user to choose between 'accept risk of overrun and keep running stuff', 'shut down all stuff on exceeding $ number', or even a 'shut down these services on exceeding number', or other possible ways to limit and control costs. The cloud companies do not want to permit this because they would lose money over surprise billing.
verbify 1y ago
Isn't that the definition of metered billing?
dd36 1y ago
Cats doing tricks has a limited budget.
anothernewdude 1y ago
YES!

gray_-_wolf 1y ago

Last time I was looking into this, is there not up to an hour of delay for the billing alerts? It did not seem possible to ensure you do not run over your budget.

mystraline 1y ago

This is complete utter hogwash. Up until recently, you could hit somebody else's S3 endpoint, no auth, and get 403's that would charge them 10s of thousands of dollars. Coudnt even firewall it. And no way to see, or anything. Number go up every 15-30 minutes in cost dashboard. Real responsibility is 'I have 100$ a month for cloud compute'. Give me a easy way to view it, and shut down if I exceed that. That's real responsibility, that Scamazon, Azure, Google - none of them 'permit'. They (and well, you) instead say "you can build some shitty clone of the functionality we should have provided, but we would make less money". Oh, and your lambda job? That too costs money. It should not cost more money to detect and stop stuff on 'too much cost' report. This should be a default feature of cloud: uncapped costs, or stop services

scoreandmore 1y ago
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- graemep 1y ago
  I am very far from being Gen Z and I agree that having the options to control costs is essential.
- megaloblasto 1y ago
  Freaking Gen Z. They always want transparent pricing and limitations on corporate greed.
  - mystraline 1y ago
    What's funny is I'm a Xennial (1976-1983). I've seen the games and grift plenty enough times to call it out immediately. It is tiring, but its the same bullshit, different company.
- geoffmanning 1y ago
  Maybe it's because "i'm a GenXer", but i am both extremely confused by what viewpoint is being labeled here in a way that is supposed to be clearly explained by such a broad characterization that is statiscally less accurate than an astrological sign and disappointed that even on hacker news we have to filter through such garbage. Oh, and yes, i believe cloud providers should be required to provide controls for users to easily limit their spend.