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I know the trading firm I work at will be making heavy use of reflection the second it lands… we had a literal party when it made it into the standard.

mylons 1y ago
sure, but instagram was created by a handful of people with python and got a billion dollar exit in 2012.
- birn559 1y ago
  What has that to do with the topic? Warren Buffet made billions without any do knowledge about programming or deeper knowledge about computers.
  - mikrl 1y ago
    Mansa Musa was so rich he decreased the local gold to silver exchange rate in Egypt by 12% without ANY modern technology! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Musa#Wealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Musa#Wealth
- emmelaich 1y ago
  And Youtube used Python almost exclusively at the start AFAIK. Then again Scott Meyers said he's never written a C++ program professionally.
  - motorest 1y ago
    > Then again Scott Meyers said he's never written a C++ program professionally. I think you're inadvertently misrepresenting Scott Meyers' claim. Cited from somewhere else: > I'll begin with what many of you will find an unredeemably damning confession: I have not written production software in over 20 years, and I have never written production software in C++. Nope, not ever. He went on to clarify that he made a living out of consultancy, not writing software. He famously retired from C++ in 2015, too.
- ozgrakkurt 1y ago
  What is this culture of judging everything by amount of money. No one needs a billion dollars, it is practically irrelevant unless you are running on greed
  - mylons 1y ago
    money is a proxy for value. the post i was responding to seemed to be pointing out how little value there is in something else.
    - d_tr 1y ago
      The post you responded to said they were very happy about their tools becoming better and your reply read as a dismissal of that, citing someone having made billions by writing an advertisement platform in Python. So either I and others misread you or it is just a matter of different views on value.
- motorest 1y ago
  > sure, but instagram was created by a handful of people with python and got a billion dollar exit in 2012. Facebook famously felt compelled to hire eminent C++ experts to help them migrate away from their PHP backend. I still recall reading posts on the Instagram Engineering blog on how and where they used C++.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    And then HipHop failed to provide as much gains as they hoped for versus the Hack JIT implementation, thus Facebook keeps writing mostly PHP like code in many of their workloads.
    - motorest 1y ago
      > And then HipHop failed to provide as much gains as they hoped (...) What point do you think you're making?
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        That the C++ migration in the end did not achieve everything they were trying to get out of it, and another more productive approach was chosen in the end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHVM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHVM

mylons 1y ago

sure, but instagram was created by a handful of people with python and got a billion dollar exit in 2012.

birn559 1y ago
What has that to do with the topic? Warren Buffet made billions without any do knowledge about programming or deeper knowledge about computers.
- mikrl 1y ago
  Mansa Musa was so rich he decreased the local gold to silver exchange rate in Egypt by 12% without ANY modern technology! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Musa#Wealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Musa#Wealth
emmelaich 1y ago
And Youtube used Python almost exclusively at the start AFAIK. Then again Scott Meyers said he's never written a C++ program professionally.
- motorest 1y ago
  > Then again Scott Meyers said he's never written a C++ program professionally. I think you're inadvertently misrepresenting Scott Meyers' claim. Cited from somewhere else: > I'll begin with what many of you will find an unredeemably damning confession: I have not written production software in over 20 years, and I have never written production software in C++. Nope, not ever. He went on to clarify that he made a living out of consultancy, not writing software. He famously retired from C++ in 2015, too.
ozgrakkurt 1y ago
What is this culture of judging everything by amount of money. No one needs a billion dollars, it is practically irrelevant unless you are running on greed
- mylons 1y ago
  money is a proxy for value. the post i was responding to seemed to be pointing out how little value there is in something else.
  - d_tr 1y ago
    The post you responded to said they were very happy about their tools becoming better and your reply read as a dismissal of that, citing someone having made billions by writing an advertisement platform in Python. So either I and others misread you or it is just a matter of different views on value.
motorest 1y ago
> sure, but instagram was created by a handful of people with python and got a billion dollar exit in 2012. Facebook famously felt compelled to hire eminent C++ experts to help them migrate away from their PHP backend. I still recall reading posts on the Instagram Engineering blog on how and where they used C++.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  And then HipHop failed to provide as much gains as they hoped for versus the Hack JIT implementation, thus Facebook keeps writing mostly PHP like code in many of their workloads.
  - motorest 1y ago
    > And then HipHop failed to provide as much gains as they hoped (...) What point do you think you're making?
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      That the C++ migration in the end did not achieve everything they were trying to get out of it, and another more productive approach was chosen in the end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHVM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHVM