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[Replication crisis citation needed to be taken serious ]

handwarmers 1y ago
yeah i get the if monkeySee(psychology) then monkeyDo(replicationCrisis); monkeyFeelSmart() algo. it's still a good article :)
- sdsd 1y ago
  git diff your_argument my_response - monkeyFeelSmart(); + monkeyFeelSafe(); People feel hurt and lied to after decades of diligently studying a curriculum who's foundations turned out to be completely fake. Our mental garden must be protected from pests. Some pests even imitate benign bugs like ladybugs, in order to get in. Imagine if tomorrow, it was announced that atoms and gravity don't exist, the motion of heavenly bodies don't even come close to Newton's laws, and physicists have just been lying so they can live off our tax dollars (but hey, we have a plan to one day start doing real physics experiments! Any day now, you'll see!). I hope I'm not too dramatic, just felt defensive for some reason. If only there were a real science that could help me understand those feelings. Oh well, gotta keep the aphids out somehow.
  - ane 1y ago
    Could you elaborate on the subject of the foundations of a curriculum (of what?) being entirely fake? That's a bold statement to make!
    - lunar-whitey 1y ago
      This looks like a reductive view of the field’s broad shifts from psychoanalysis to behaviorism, and again to cognitivism. The impact to practice in the 21st century has been minimal since the latter shift began in the mid-20th and most of the older intellectual vanguard are dead.
    - sdsd 1y ago
      I'm thinking of what the replication crisis means for figures like Jean Piaget and Marie Ainsworth. Go take a psych class and they'll be among the first you learn about. None of their stuff replicates. The curriculum I took at community college was mostly fake.
  - handwarmers 1y ago
    There is nothing wrong with being dramatic occasionally! I wish there were a real science to help us understand ourselves more reliably too - but there isn't. But maybe we are slowly entering the enlightenment after the dark ages of psychology? I think in today's world it is easy to become a cynic, and being a cynic is one way to feel safe. Depending on what your utility function about the world is, being a cynic might actually be the most "rational" approach to life - new things are more likely to fail, and if you always bet that something will fail, or is flawed, or worthless, or a scam, you will be right more often that you will be wrong. In the right circles you might be considered a wholesome, grounded, put together person if you are like that. But perhaps we could get the best of both worlds? Have a little corner of your garden that is entirely dedicated to experimentation with ideas - keep them there, see how they interact with a sampling of your actual garden, and after you feel confident enough, promote them to the real garden, and let them nudge your life a little. If it turns out for the worse, tear them out and throw them,
UncleMeat 1y ago
Psych is one of the few fields that is funding replication studies and throwing out concepts that don't pass muster. But because of this research you see headlines about it for psych and conclude the entire field is crap.

yeah i get the if monkeySee(psychology) then monkeyDo(replicationCrisis); monkeyFeelSmart() algo. it's still a good article :)

sdsd 1y ago
git diff your_argument my_response - monkeyFeelSmart(); + monkeyFeelSafe(); People feel hurt and lied to after decades of diligently studying a curriculum who's foundations turned out to be completely fake. Our mental garden must be protected from pests. Some pests even imitate benign bugs like ladybugs, in order to get in. Imagine if tomorrow, it was announced that atoms and gravity don't exist, the motion of heavenly bodies don't even come close to Newton's laws, and physicists have just been lying so they can live off our tax dollars (but hey, we have a plan to one day start doing real physics experiments! Any day now, you'll see!). I hope I'm not too dramatic, just felt defensive for some reason. If only there were a real science that could help me understand those feelings. Oh well, gotta keep the aphids out somehow.
- ane 1y ago
  Could you elaborate on the subject of the foundations of a curriculum (of what?) being entirely fake? That's a bold statement to make!
  - lunar-whitey 1y ago
    This looks like a reductive view of the field’s broad shifts from psychoanalysis to behaviorism, and again to cognitivism. The impact to practice in the 21st century has been minimal since the latter shift began in the mid-20th and most of the older intellectual vanguard are dead.
  - sdsd 1y ago
    I'm thinking of what the replication crisis means for figures like Jean Piaget and Marie Ainsworth. Go take a psych class and they'll be among the first you learn about. None of their stuff replicates. The curriculum I took at community college was mostly fake.
- handwarmers 1y ago
  There is nothing wrong with being dramatic occasionally! I wish there were a real science to help us understand ourselves more reliably too - but there isn't. But maybe we are slowly entering the enlightenment after the dark ages of psychology? I think in today's world it is easy to become a cynic, and being a cynic is one way to feel safe. Depending on what your utility function about the world is, being a cynic might actually be the most "rational" approach to life - new things are more likely to fail, and if you always bet that something will fail, or is flawed, or worthless, or a scam, you will be right more often that you will be wrong. In the right circles you might be considered a wholesome, grounded, put together person if you are like that. But perhaps we could get the best of both worlds? Have a little corner of your garden that is entirely dedicated to experimentation with ideas - keep them there, see how they interact with a sampling of your actual garden, and after you feel confident enough, promote them to the real garden, and let them nudge your life a little. If it turns out for the worse, tear them out and throw them,

UncleMeat 1y ago

Psych is one of the few fields that is funding replication studies and throwing out concepts that don't pass muster. But because of this research you see headlines about it for psych and conclude the entire field is crap.