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What does “recognizing Palestine” even mean?

willvarfar 1y ago
This is breaking news over the last few days. Some of the coverage https://www.ft.com/content/2fe65dbf-65a5-41f3-aaab-5661c014628e https://www.ft.com/content/2fe65dbf-65a5-41f3-aaab-5661c0146...
- WJW 1y ago
  Sure, but what kind of action does it imply? North Korea is recognized by (almost?) every country too, but that doesn't mean anyone is hurrying to provide aid to starving North Koreans. Similarly the international recognition of Azerbaijan and Armenia did nothing to prevent one from taking Nagorno-Karabach from the other earlier this year. So "recognizing the Palestinian state" is all good and well, but unless anyone also gets off their butts and actually does something then the situation in Gaza won't actually change.
  - estomagordo 1y ago
    Yes, recognizing Palestine should be a very simple and uncontroversial thing. And yet.
  - brookst 1y ago
    It’s noble of you to say that countries might as well not recognize Palestine because it will do no good, but by and large the Palestinians have a different view and see such recognition as a first step.
    - WJW 1y ago
      This is not at all what my previous comment said. I said that it might be a first step, but that first step doesn't matter if no further steps are forthcoming.
  - azangru 1y ago
    > Sure, but what kind of action does it imply? A BBC article from a couple of days ago lists about 150 countries that have recognized a Palestinian state, dating back to 1988 (which is, btw, when North Korea recognized it). I don't know what kind of action it implies. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp5z1vvj5o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp5z1vvj5o
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    Rabid zionists don't want people to recognize Palestine because if Palestine doesn't in some sense exist then in some sense that erases the crime zionists are committing in eradicating Palestine. It's crazy but that's how it works. Refusal to recognize Palestine is a form of dehumanization, one of the key stages of genocide.
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ses1984 1y ago
One of the things that makes a country a country is recognition by other countries. Look it up.
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crinkly 1y ago
As it’s a threat, it’s cheap and easy words to pacify growing hostility within society. It has nothing to do with helping the Palestinian and Israeli people or holding the Israeli government or Hamas to account.
AndrewHampton 1y ago
Tangle has a great breakdown of what this means in their article yesterday: https://www.readtangle.com/emil-bove-trump-lawyer-federal-judge/#your-questions-answered https://www.readtangle.com/emil-bove-trump-lawyer-federal-ju... Turns out, it's complicated.
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
Palestinians don't 'recognize' the Palestine that is being recognized. The borders, the leadership, etc. How can a nation recognize a country that that countries' people don't?

This is breaking news over the last few days. Some of the coverage https://www.ft.com/content/2fe65dbf-65a5-41f3-aaab-5661c014628e https://www.ft.com/content/2fe65dbf-65a5-41f3-aaab-5661c0146...

WJW 1y ago
Sure, but what kind of action does it imply? North Korea is recognized by (almost?) every country too, but that doesn't mean anyone is hurrying to provide aid to starving North Koreans. Similarly the international recognition of Azerbaijan and Armenia did nothing to prevent one from taking Nagorno-Karabach from the other earlier this year. So "recognizing the Palestinian state" is all good and well, but unless anyone also gets off their butts and actually does something then the situation in Gaza won't actually change.
- estomagordo 1y ago
  Yes, recognizing Palestine should be a very simple and uncontroversial thing. And yet.
- brookst 1y ago
  It’s noble of you to say that countries might as well not recognize Palestine because it will do no good, but by and large the Palestinians have a different view and see such recognition as a first step.
  - WJW 1y ago
    This is not at all what my previous comment said. I said that it might be a first step, but that first step doesn't matter if no further steps are forthcoming.
- azangru 1y ago
  > Sure, but what kind of action does it imply? A BBC article from a couple of days ago lists about 150 countries that have recognized a Palestinian state, dating back to 1988 (which is, btw, when North Korea recognized it). I don't know what kind of action it implies. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp5z1vvj5o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp5z1vvj5o
- lupusreal 1y ago
  Rabid zionists don't want people to recognize Palestine because if Palestine doesn't in some sense exist then in some sense that erases the crime zionists are committing in eradicating Palestine. It's crazy but that's how it works. Refusal to recognize Palestine is a form of dehumanization, one of the key stages of genocide.

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ses1984 1y ago

One of the things that makes a country a country is recognition by other countries. Look it up.

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crinkly 1y ago

As it’s a threat, it’s cheap and easy words to pacify growing hostility within society. It has nothing to do with helping the Palestinian and Israeli people or holding the Israeli government or Hamas to account.

AndrewHampton 1y ago

Tangle has a great breakdown of what this means in their article yesterday: https://www.readtangle.com/emil-bove-trump-lawyer-federal-judge/#your-questions-answered https://www.readtangle.com/emil-bove-trump-lawyer-federal-ju... Turns out, it's complicated.

_DeadFred_ 1y ago

Palestinians don't 'recognize' the Palestine that is being recognized. The borders, the leadership, etc. How can a nation recognize a country that that countries' people don't?