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To quote the NYTimes: “Despite the desperate humanitarian crisis, a survey conducted in May by the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv Universi

To quote the NYTimes: “Despite the desperate humanitarian crisis, a survey conducted in May by the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University found that 64.5 percent of the Israeli public was not at all, or not very, concerned about the humanitarian situation in Gaza.” “About three-quarters of Israeli Jews thought that Israel's military planning should not take into account the suffering of the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza, or should do so only minimally, according to another recent survey by the Israel Democracy Institute, a nonpartisan research group in Jerusalem.” https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/world/middleeast/israel-dissent-war-gaza.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/world/middleeast/israel-d...

e40 1y ago
That is horrific and much worse than I thought it was.
- nandomrumber 1y ago
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  - saubeidl 1y ago
    > You expect Israeli's to a give a fuck about Gazans? Um, yes? Like you think the children being starved are all Hamas? You think the doctors and filmmakers and what have you are all terrorists? Don't become worse than the thing you claim to fight.
  - 9dev 1y ago
    Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.
    - nandomrumber 1y ago
      If the above mentioned surveys are to believed, then a not insignificant fraction of Israelis care less than you expect them to. Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off?
      - saubeidl 1y ago
        And that is exactly why global opinion is souring on Israel.
      - judahmeek 1y ago
        > Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off? There's a perfect explanation for this in Ten Steps of Genocide, which is taught by many Holocaust museums. Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity, Israelites (not all, but enough to gain control of their government) have allowed themselves to discriminate, dehumanize, and persecute them. Granted, not doing so in a situation as fraught with hostility & danger as Israel's would have taken tremendous levels of moral courage, but if there's one ethnic group that we expected to be aware of the slippery slope of genocide, it's the jews.
        andsoitis 1y ago
        > Israelites The demonym for someone from Israel is Israeli. > Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity There are ~2m Palestinians in Israel, making up about 21% percent of the population of Israel and Palestinians in Israel have had the right to vote since 1949. According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. So I don't know that your claim is accurate.
        judahmeek 1y ago
        > According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. That's great, but it doesn't contradict my claim. After all, I didn't say "all Israelis". I said "enough Israelis to gain control of their government".
  - xg15 1y ago
    I imagined that, if nothing else, they'd have an interest in the next generation of Gazans not growing up with even more hatred towards Israel than the previous one. Which is kind of hard given the cruelty they are currently subjected to. That is unless the plan is that there won't be a next generation of Gazans.
    - echaozh 1y ago
      I think you've guessed their plan.
  - piva00 1y ago
    Yes, I'd expect that from compassionate human beings. Such beings can hold two conflicting thoughts at the same time: the hostages situation is incredibly tragic, and the suffering inflicted unto innocent people who had nothing to do with the hostage taking is also immensely tragic and inhuman. Using the hostages as justification for collective punishment is exactly what Netanyahu's government want, it becomes easy to justify the abhorrent treatment of millions of people, repeating this is just ceding power to the worst elements of his government (Ben Gvir, etc.). The hostages should be returned by Hamas, that shouldn't cost millions of people their families, homes, lives, it's collective punishment, it's genocide.
  - e40 1y ago
    It is this attitude that allows this genocide to start and continue.
    - mhb 1y ago
      If only the Western democracies were subjected to similar genocides, we would have the solution to our TFR problem.
  - tomhow 1y ago
    This and other comments in this thread are breaking multiple HN guidelines, notably these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Please don't fulminate. Eschew flamebait. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
omnee 1y ago
The banality of evil on full display. These very same people will claim in the future that they were misled or did not understand the gravity of crimes being committed in Gaza and the West Bank.

e40 1y ago

That is horrific and much worse than I thought it was.

nandomrumber 1y ago
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- saubeidl 1y ago
  > You expect Israeli's to a give a fuck about Gazans? Um, yes? Like you think the children being starved are all Hamas? You think the doctors and filmmakers and what have you are all terrorists? Don't become worse than the thing you claim to fight.
- 9dev 1y ago
  Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.
  - nandomrumber 1y ago
    If the above mentioned surveys are to believed, then a not insignificant fraction of Israelis care less than you expect them to. Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off?
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      And that is exactly why global opinion is souring on Israel.
    - judahmeek 1y ago
      > Why is that? What are we misunderstanding about their perspective that causes the expectation to be off? There's a perfect explanation for this in Ten Steps of Genocide, which is taught by many Holocaust museums. Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity, Israelites (not all, but enough to gain control of their government) have allowed themselves to discriminate, dehumanize, and persecute them. Granted, not doing so in a situation as fraught with hostility & danger as Israel's would have taken tremendous levels of moral courage, but if there's one ethnic group that we expected to be aware of the slippery slope of genocide, it's the jews.
      - andsoitis 1y ago
        > Israelites The demonym for someone from Israel is Israeli. > Instead of recognizing Palestinian humanity There are ~2m Palestinians in Israel, making up about 21% percent of the population of Israel and Palestinians in Israel have had the right to vote since 1949. According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. So I don't know that your claim is accurate.
        judahmeek 1y ago
        > According to my research, there are 10 Palestinians in the Knesset. That's great, but it doesn't contradict my claim. After all, I didn't say "all Israelis". I said "enough Israelis to gain control of their government".
- xg15 1y ago
  I imagined that, if nothing else, they'd have an interest in the next generation of Gazans not growing up with even more hatred towards Israel than the previous one. Which is kind of hard given the cruelty they are currently subjected to. That is unless the plan is that there won't be a next generation of Gazans.
  - echaozh 1y ago
    I think you've guessed their plan.
- piva00 1y ago
  Yes, I'd expect that from compassionate human beings. Such beings can hold two conflicting thoughts at the same time: the hostages situation is incredibly tragic, and the suffering inflicted unto innocent people who had nothing to do with the hostage taking is also immensely tragic and inhuman. Using the hostages as justification for collective punishment is exactly what Netanyahu's government want, it becomes easy to justify the abhorrent treatment of millions of people, repeating this is just ceding power to the worst elements of his government (Ben Gvir, etc.). The hostages should be returned by Hamas, that shouldn't cost millions of people their families, homes, lives, it's collective punishment, it's genocide.
- e40 1y ago
  It is this attitude that allows this genocide to start and continue.
  - mhb 1y ago
    If only the Western democracies were subjected to similar genocides, we would have the solution to our TFR problem.
- tomhow 1y ago
  This and other comments in this thread are breaking multiple HN guidelines, notably these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Please don't fulminate. Eschew flamebait. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

omnee 1y ago

The banality of evil on full display. These very same people will claim in the future that they were misled or did not understand the gravity of crimes being committed in Gaza and the West Bank.