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Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp

114 points by dargscisyhp 1y ago

dang 1y ago
Related. Others? Mezzano on Librebooted ThinkPads - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28880888 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28880888 - Oct 2021 (46 comments) Mezzano: Operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26051255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26051255 - Feb 2021 (68 comments) Mezzano (LispOS) Release Demo 5 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23950558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23950558 - July 2020 (2 comments) Mezzano – An operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20210227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20210227 - June 2019 (136 comments) Common Lisp OS Mezzano – Demo 4 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17633626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17633626 - July 2018 (1 comment) Mezzano – Common Lisp OS: Demo 3 released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14072121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14072121 - April 2017 (22 comments) Mezzano – An operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12358177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12358177 - Aug 2016 (63 comments) Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8955140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8955140 - Jan 2015 (15 comments) Mezzanine: A Common Lisp-based 64-bit OS for VirtualBox - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943709 - Jan 2015 (63 comments)
tadasZ 1y ago
why?
lorenzohess 1y ago
Don't we already have Emacs :p All in all, cool!
- Guthur 1y ago
  Yes, and it's not written in common lisp, or lisp at all for that matter. It's written in C with an embedded lisp (elisp). Actually, given all this I'm not sure of your point anymore.
  - TacticalCoder 1y ago
    > Yes, and it's not written in common lisp, or lisp at all for that matter. It's written in C with an embedded lisp (elisp). Isn't it the case that something like 70%+ of all Emacs' source code is actually elisp? The fact that C code embeds a Lisp doesn't make the code then written in elisp C code right? Otherwise by that logic Java code is actually bytecode or something.
- positron26 1y ago
  We have Lem I am creating https://prizeforge.com https://prizeforge.com so that I can escape from Emacs to Lem (among billions of other reasons)
  - dokyun 1y ago
    > I am creating https://prizeforge.com https://prizeforge.com looks like a scam. why don't you describe your 'vision' in a way normal people can read instead of with pages of machine-generated corpo-schlock the more i look at your site the more insane it gets. reminds me of that leaked pepsi logo powerpoint
    - positron26 1y ago
      Normal people don't even know what open source is. Can you be more specific?
  - EFreethought 1y ago
    Why do you think you need to "escape" from Emacs? Edit: If you are affiliated with the Positron that made the Elisp Repo Kit, then keep making more Elisp packages. I made a package for myself a while back, and erk was the easiest solution. Keep up the good work.
    - positron26 1y ago
      CL is a real language with an ecosystem. It is blazing fast and capable compared to Elisp. The debugging is amazing. I almost used it to build PrizeForge. The tooling in Elisp is not designed for serious people or doing serious things. To understand why, we have to look at who has been gating its development. Long ago, the FSF began rationalizing the failures of their strategies and technology choices rather than seriously re-analyzing how reality had unfolded. If the Elisp runtime was slow, that wasn't the problem. The problem was that you weren't prioritizing your "freedom". Guile Emacs exists. The reason that its own developers and other hands who have touched it don't want to try harder is because they know for a fact that getting anything merged into Emacs core means an utterly exhausting, soul-crushing slog where people who have made a profession of not changing their minds will demand to be convinced to change their minds. Go hop over to the Lem Discord. They love doing things. They just want to program. It's such a massive breath of fresh air to be able to talk about technology and doing well instead of having this hand-wringing performative "freedom" signaling. It's like when church kids talk about doing something normal and have to make a little show of their loyalty to the cause before they can exercise their free will and judgement. I want lab-grown meat, Year of the Linux Desktop, and synthetic biochemistry to get the microplastics out of my body. The FSF doesn't care. They don't care. They decided that success is bad and that dying on a hill is good. They want to force everyone to be backwards compatible with decisions they made thirty years ago as if it has any hope of revitalizing an ecosystem that they deny even exists. I feel utterly and completely betrayed by the FSF and want as far away from them as possible. Technically, I find the prospects of Lem to be superior. I find political landscape not in favor of Guile Emacs and I fear that if Emacs users manage to obtain Guile, they will have also bought into another decade under the stifling leadership inside the dark recesses of a mailing list they don't know how badly they disagree with.
blue1 1y ago
Latest release is from five years ago, unfortunately. The project seems mostly abandoned.
- amszmidt 1y ago
  The git log says differently. Not everything needs a "release" to be alive.
  - blue1 1y ago
    I agree in general, but this project HAS releases; At least, it had until a certain date. So if you jump to the releases page, it gives the impression that the project is now dead. If they have abandoned that model, they should at least write it somewhere.

114 points by dargscisyhp 1y ago

dang 1y ago

Related. Others? Mezzano on Librebooted ThinkPads - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28880888 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28880888 - Oct 2021 (46 comments) Mezzano: Operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26051255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26051255 - Feb 2021 (68 comments) Mezzano (LispOS) Release Demo 5 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23950558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23950558 - July 2020 (2 comments) Mezzano – An operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20210227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20210227 - June 2019 (136 comments) Common Lisp OS Mezzano – Demo 4 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17633626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17633626 - July 2018 (1 comment) Mezzano – Common Lisp OS: Demo 3 released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14072121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14072121 - April 2017 (22 comments) Mezzano – An operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12358177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12358177 - Aug 2016 (63 comments) Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8955140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8955140 - Jan 2015 (15 comments) Mezzanine: A Common Lisp-based 64-bit OS for VirtualBox - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943709 - Jan 2015 (63 comments)

tadasZ 1y ago

why?

lorenzohess 1y ago

Don't we already have Emacs :p All in all, cool!

Guthur 1y ago
Yes, and it's not written in common lisp, or lisp at all for that matter. It's written in C with an embedded lisp (elisp). Actually, given all this I'm not sure of your point anymore.
- TacticalCoder 1y ago
  > Yes, and it's not written in common lisp, or lisp at all for that matter. It's written in C with an embedded lisp (elisp). Isn't it the case that something like 70%+ of all Emacs' source code is actually elisp? The fact that C code embeds a Lisp doesn't make the code then written in elisp C code right? Otherwise by that logic Java code is actually bytecode or something.
positron26 1y ago
We have Lem I am creating https://prizeforge.com https://prizeforge.com so that I can escape from Emacs to Lem (among billions of other reasons)
- dokyun 1y ago
  > I am creating https://prizeforge.com https://prizeforge.com looks like a scam. why don't you describe your 'vision' in a way normal people can read instead of with pages of machine-generated corpo-schlock the more i look at your site the more insane it gets. reminds me of that leaked pepsi logo powerpoint
  - positron26 1y ago
    Normal people don't even know what open source is. Can you be more specific?
- EFreethought 1y ago
  Why do you think you need to "escape" from Emacs? Edit: If you are affiliated with the Positron that made the Elisp Repo Kit, then keep making more Elisp packages. I made a package for myself a while back, and erk was the easiest solution. Keep up the good work.
  - positron26 1y ago
    CL is a real language with an ecosystem. It is blazing fast and capable compared to Elisp. The debugging is amazing. I almost used it to build PrizeForge. The tooling in Elisp is not designed for serious people or doing serious things. To understand why, we have to look at who has been gating its development. Long ago, the FSF began rationalizing the failures of their strategies and technology choices rather than seriously re-analyzing how reality had unfolded. If the Elisp runtime was slow, that wasn't the problem. The problem was that you weren't prioritizing your "freedom". Guile Emacs exists. The reason that its own developers and other hands who have touched it don't want to try harder is because they know for a fact that getting anything merged into Emacs core means an utterly exhausting, soul-crushing slog where people who have made a profession of not changing their minds will demand to be convinced to change their minds. Go hop over to the Lem Discord. They love doing things. They just want to program. It's such a massive breath of fresh air to be able to talk about technology and doing well instead of having this hand-wringing performative "freedom" signaling. It's like when church kids talk about doing something normal and have to make a little show of their loyalty to the cause before they can exercise their free will and judgement. I want lab-grown meat, Year of the Linux Desktop, and synthetic biochemistry to get the microplastics out of my body. The FSF doesn't care. They don't care. They decided that success is bad and that dying on a hill is good. They want to force everyone to be backwards compatible with decisions they made thirty years ago as if it has any hope of revitalizing an ecosystem that they deny even exists. I feel utterly and completely betrayed by the FSF and want as far away from them as possible. Technically, I find the prospects of Lem to be superior. I find political landscape not in favor of Guile Emacs and I fear that if Emacs users manage to obtain Guile, they will have also bought into another decade under the stifling leadership inside the dark recesses of a mailing list they don't know how badly they disagree with.

blue1 1y ago

Latest release is from five years ago, unfortunately. The project seems mostly abandoned.

amszmidt 1y ago
The git log says differently. Not everything needs a "release" to be alive.
- blue1 1y ago
  I agree in general, but this project HAS releases; At least, it had until a certain date. So if you jump to the releases page, it gives the impression that the project is now dead. If they have abandoned that model, they should at least write it somewhere.