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It is not specific to right wing grifters. Left wing grifters use the same talking points but with a different reason behind. Yet they want to censor the same p

It is not specific to right wing grifters. Left wing grifters use the same talking points but with a different reason behind. Yet they want to censor the same products: one group based on puritanism & moralism while the other based on feminism & LGBT rights. Both extremes want the same thing.

jennyholzer 1y ago
I don't think it makes sense to label either group of grifters based on stated political affiliation; These groups are linked because they are both grifters. The politics are just a costume that ingratiates the grifter with their target market.
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  I don't get why they're being called grifters. These groups - both left and right - probably genuinely believe this stuff is harmful and are following their beliefs to their logical conclusion. I don't think companies should bow to such pressure, but that doesn't make them "grifters". "Grifter" seems like the new shorthand for "person I don't like".
  - benoau 1y ago
    The grift is they are asserting a power and authority over everyone else that is not warranted. That's why they sabotaged Valve, Itch.io and adult content creators using the payment networks instead of taking them on in court or at the legislative level where they would face many hurdles coercing them to their will.
    - zahlman 1y ago
      > The grift is they are asserting a power and authority over everyone else that is not warranted. I understand "grift" to mean more or less what the dictionary says (e.g. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grift https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grift). I fail to see how that connects to the behaviour you describe.
holsta 1y ago
> Both extremes want the same thing. Citation needed. The 'extreme' feminism & LGBT tends to revolve around identical pay, being able to walk down the street without getting assaulted or being able to work without being harassed or discriminated against.
- deleted 1y ago
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- pseudo0 1y ago
  Feminist groups also regularly try to get games banned from Steam, typically for sexism or violence against women. Eg. > Women in Games CEO Dr Marie-Claire Isaaman has called on Valve to “act urgently” and remove the game from Steam, saying the game’s content “is not only vile and dangerous, but also actively promotes the dehumanisation of women and girls.” https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/women-in-games-calls-on-steam-to-remove-game-which-promotes-sexual-assault/ https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/women-in-games-call...
  - AlexandrB 1y ago
    They also try to ban books that disagree with their beliefs: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/amazon-will-not-remove-book-advocates-say-endangers-transgender-youth-n1266447 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/amazon-will-not-remo...
    - holsta 1y ago
      > In “Irreversible Damage,” Abigail Shrier argues youth are being “fast-tracked” into medical transition — a claim experts say isn’t true and harms trans youth. Anti-trans activities is the fascist agenda. Fascism should always be stopped. Saving democracy and lives of transpeople by stopping fascists is not controversial in any way.
  - holsta 1y ago
    When you start digging past their marketing material, you quickly discover that these organisations are just right-wing fronts, against trans-people, against abortion. Here's a 38 minute video that walks through some of the recent major incidents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHHnPLllUk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHHnPLllUk Feminists would not campaign to take down games (with zero sexual content) about queer lives made by queer people.
myko 1y ago
Reading this it seems to equate feminism and LGBTQ rights with extremism, which doesn't feel correct at all
Terr_ 1y ago
Are there any examples where someone got "de-banked" or "de-payment-processored" because of misogynistic (but legal) content? Two different people might both want $100 from you, but that isn't enough for an equivalence: I'm sure you'll agree there's an enormous practical difference between the one that does/doesn't think "knife stabs" are a valid tactic. Or even just between two where only one owns a knife.
- zahlman 1y ago
  > Are there any examples where someone got "de-banked" or "de-payment-processored" because of misogynistic (but legal) content? You don't even have to express misogynistic ideas to attract that kind of attention; you only need to question the current mode of politically correct thought. They tried to prevent the distribution of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred_(video_game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred_(video_game) , and were temporarily successful. For that matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_video_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_video_ga... > [Super Seducer] came under fire by a number of video game critics; one described it as the "world's sleaziest game",[37] and another criticized the game for "normalizing rape culture"[38] Prior to its release, the game had its crowdfunding campaign suspended by Kickstarter. According to its press release, this was due to "inappropriate content, including but not limited to offensive or pornographic material", and "spamming or abusive behavior, offering rewards in violation of Kickstarter's rules."[39][40] This is absurd characterization of the gameplay, but the entire concept of "pick-up artistry" causes strong prejudice. Literal debanking etc., I wouldn't know. I haven't kept tabs on these kinds of stories for many years. That said, Collective Shout is explicitly arguing that the porn content they're trying to censor via these tactics is inherently misogynistic. And it wasn't, as far as I can tell, right-wing groups complaining about the Senran Kagura series several years back, either the games or the anime. Just look at the domain names that come up in searches if you try to look that one up; you don't get conservative forums, but you do get ResetEra and VICE, along with the usual "gaming news" rags.

jennyholzer 1y ago

I don't think it makes sense to label either group of grifters based on stated political affiliation; These groups are linked because they are both grifters. The politics are just a costume that ingratiates the grifter with their target market.

AlexandrB 1y ago
I don't get why they're being called grifters. These groups - both left and right - probably genuinely believe this stuff is harmful and are following their beliefs to their logical conclusion. I don't think companies should bow to such pressure, but that doesn't make them "grifters". "Grifter" seems like the new shorthand for "person I don't like".
- benoau 1y ago
  The grift is they are asserting a power and authority over everyone else that is not warranted. That's why they sabotaged Valve, Itch.io and adult content creators using the payment networks instead of taking them on in court or at the legislative level where they would face many hurdles coercing them to their will.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    > The grift is they are asserting a power and authority over everyone else that is not warranted. I understand "grift" to mean more or less what the dictionary says (e.g. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grift https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grift). I fail to see how that connects to the behaviour you describe.

holsta 1y ago

> Both extremes want the same thing. Citation needed. The 'extreme' feminism & LGBT tends to revolve around identical pay, being able to walk down the street without getting assaulted or being able to work without being harassed or discriminated against.

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pseudo0 1y ago
Feminist groups also regularly try to get games banned from Steam, typically for sexism or violence against women. Eg. > Women in Games CEO Dr Marie-Claire Isaaman has called on Valve to “act urgently” and remove the game from Steam, saying the game’s content “is not only vile and dangerous, but also actively promotes the dehumanisation of women and girls.” https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/women-in-games-calls-on-steam-to-remove-game-which-promotes-sexual-assault/ https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/women-in-games-call...
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  They also try to ban books that disagree with their beliefs: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/amazon-will-not-remove-book-advocates-say-endangers-transgender-youth-n1266447 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/amazon-will-not-remo...
  - holsta 1y ago
    > In “Irreversible Damage,” Abigail Shrier argues youth are being “fast-tracked” into medical transition — a claim experts say isn’t true and harms trans youth. Anti-trans activities is the fascist agenda. Fascism should always be stopped. Saving democracy and lives of transpeople by stopping fascists is not controversial in any way.
- holsta 1y ago
  When you start digging past their marketing material, you quickly discover that these organisations are just right-wing fronts, against trans-people, against abortion. Here's a 38 minute video that walks through some of the recent major incidents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHHnPLllUk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHHnPLllUk Feminists would not campaign to take down games (with zero sexual content) about queer lives made by queer people.

myko 1y ago

Reading this it seems to equate feminism and LGBTQ rights with extremism, which doesn't feel correct at all

Terr_ 1y ago

Are there any examples where someone got "de-banked" or "de-payment-processored" because of misogynistic (but legal) content? Two different people might both want $100 from you, but that isn't enough for an equivalence: I'm sure you'll agree there's an enormous practical difference between the one that does/doesn't think "knife stabs" are a valid tactic. Or even just between two where only one owns a knife.

zahlman 1y ago
> Are there any examples where someone got "de-banked" or "de-payment-processored" because of misogynistic (but legal) content? You don't even have to express misogynistic ideas to attract that kind of attention; you only need to question the current mode of politically correct thought. They tried to prevent the distribution of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred_(video_game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred_(video_game) , and were temporarily successful. For that matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_video_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_video_ga... > [Super Seducer] came under fire by a number of video game critics; one described it as the "world's sleaziest game",[37] and another criticized the game for "normalizing rape culture"[38] Prior to its release, the game had its crowdfunding campaign suspended by Kickstarter. According to its press release, this was due to "inappropriate content, including but not limited to offensive or pornographic material", and "spamming or abusive behavior, offering rewards in violation of Kickstarter's rules."[39][40] This is absurd characterization of the gameplay, but the entire concept of "pick-up artistry" causes strong prejudice. Literal debanking etc., I wouldn't know. I haven't kept tabs on these kinds of stories for many years. That said, Collective Shout is explicitly arguing that the porn content they're trying to censor via these tactics is inherently misogynistic. And it wasn't, as far as I can tell, right-wing groups complaining about the Senran Kagura series several years back, either the games or the anime. Just look at the domain names that come up in searches if you try to look that one up; you don't get conservative forums, but you do get ResetEra and VICE, along with the usual "gaming news" rags.