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> I lived in the U.K. for decades and I have lived in many other countries. I’ll criticise the U.K. government and society endlessly but to describe these chang

> I lived in the U.K. for decades and I have lived in many other countries. I’ll criticise the U.K. government and society endlessly but to describe these changes as notable or remarkable relative to most other countries is nonsense. I am English. I was born in England, my parents are English, my Grandparents were English, My Great Grandparents were English etc. etc. I have lived my majority of my life here. So I am English. You obviously didn't read what I said. I understand that it is nothing special in isolation. However I am not talking about it in isolation. I was talking about the entirety of how the current laws are constructed as well as how the UK state operates. Also just because other countries have rubbish laws, doesn't mean we should have adopted similar ones. > From a U.S. internet libertarian freedom-at-all-costs perspective, sure, it’s a draconian nightmare, but for normal people from the U.K. or any other country, it’s barely a blip on their radar. Many people do not like this and are actively seeking work-arounds. These aren't uber nerds like myself BTW. > The U.K. is a flawed place going to hell in a hand basket that many U.K. citizens have strong opinions on but outside of us, the freedom loving nerds on the internet, this identity verification law is not a part of the conversation. So you admit there is a problem. But you then pretend that this can't possibly be part of the entire picture because you say so. Sorry it very much well is part of the problem. You stating it isn't doesn't make it so.

abxyz 1y ago
Share some examples, then? I just took a look across all major U.K. mainstream news publications and I cannot find any outrage about these changes.
- rubyAce 1y ago
  So because it isn't discussed through UK mainstream news and publications that means people aren't concerned about it? A lot of things people are actually concerned about isn't mentioned at all in the mainstream news or publications that is why increasingly fewer people are paying attention to them. People are talking about these things ironically on places like twitter/X, facebook, whatsapp, discord and in person (shock horror I know). I was at a boys football match this weekend and people were talking about it there. BTW quite hilariously twitter/X are censoring some footage from the commons as that content has to be age-gated.
  - abxyz 1y ago
    The myth of things “not being talked about” in the mainstream is a convenient way to excuse being unable to provide any meaningful evidence that a notable portion of the country care about something. I know it might shock you but people on twitter and discord are not representative of voters. Most voters do not engage with any social media. People on the internet get so caught up in the international perspective we are exposed to that we forget what national voters actually care about. Go look at polling about this law for a real insight, 80% of people support it: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2025/07/24/8b234/2 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202...
    - rubyAce 1y ago
      > The myth of things “not being talked about” in the mainstream is a convenient way to excuse being unable to provide any meaningful evidence that a notable portion of the country care about something. If social media wasn't important, politicians, mainstream news publications themselves, and other political activists wouldn't bother with it. So this is patently False. Pretending this hasn't been a trend now for 15 years is completely asinine and shame on you for attempting to pretend the opposite is true. > I know it might shock you but people on twitter and discord are not representative of voters. Most voters do not engage with any social media. False. Almost everyone I know is on social media of some sort. They might not be actively engaging but they do engage regularly in some form or another. Most of them would be called lurkers, or they will check out stuff if some piques their interests. You conveniently missed out where I said "facebook" and "in person" > People on the internet get so caught up in the international perspective we are exposed to that we forget what national voters actually care about. I don't care about the international perspective. I am English (I've already told you this). I care about this issue and I know plenty of other people who are British care about this issue. > Go look at polling about this law for a real insight, 80% of people support it: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202... The same YouGov polling that had almost every about Brexit issue at 71% vs 29%. Their polling isn't to be trusted. Even if I took that at face value, that means 1/5 people don't support it. Which isn't an insignificant amount of people. So there are a decent number of people that care about it, even using your own figures. This disproves your statements about it not being cared about and only uber nerds caring about it.
- mike50 1y ago
  How many mainstream outlets are owned by Murdoch in the UK?

abxyz 1y ago

Share some examples, then? I just took a look across all major U.K. mainstream news publications and I cannot find any outrage about these changes.

rubyAce 1y ago
So because it isn't discussed through UK mainstream news and publications that means people aren't concerned about it? A lot of things people are actually concerned about isn't mentioned at all in the mainstream news or publications that is why increasingly fewer people are paying attention to them. People are talking about these things ironically on places like twitter/X, facebook, whatsapp, discord and in person (shock horror I know). I was at a boys football match this weekend and people were talking about it there. BTW quite hilariously twitter/X are censoring some footage from the commons as that content has to be age-gated.
- abxyz 1y ago
  The myth of things “not being talked about” in the mainstream is a convenient way to excuse being unable to provide any meaningful evidence that a notable portion of the country care about something. I know it might shock you but people on twitter and discord are not representative of voters. Most voters do not engage with any social media. People on the internet get so caught up in the international perspective we are exposed to that we forget what national voters actually care about. Go look at polling about this law for a real insight, 80% of people support it: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2025/07/24/8b234/2 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202...
  - rubyAce 1y ago
    > The myth of things “not being talked about” in the mainstream is a convenient way to excuse being unable to provide any meaningful evidence that a notable portion of the country care about something. If social media wasn't important, politicians, mainstream news publications themselves, and other political activists wouldn't bother with it. So this is patently False. Pretending this hasn't been a trend now for 15 years is completely asinine and shame on you for attempting to pretend the opposite is true. > I know it might shock you but people on twitter and discord are not representative of voters. Most voters do not engage with any social media. False. Almost everyone I know is on social media of some sort. They might not be actively engaging but they do engage regularly in some form or another. Most of them would be called lurkers, or they will check out stuff if some piques their interests. You conveniently missed out where I said "facebook" and "in person" > People on the internet get so caught up in the international perspective we are exposed to that we forget what national voters actually care about. I don't care about the international perspective. I am English (I've already told you this). I care about this issue and I know plenty of other people who are British care about this issue. > Go look at polling about this law for a real insight, 80% of people support it: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202 https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/202... The same YouGov polling that had almost every about Brexit issue at 71% vs 29%. Their polling isn't to be trusted. Even if I took that at face value, that means 1/5 people don't support it. Which isn't an insignificant amount of people. So there are a decent number of people that care about it, even using your own figures. This disproves your statements about it not being cared about and only uber nerds caring about it.
mike50 1y ago
How many mainstream outlets are owned by Murdoch in the UK?