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Because if you're going to carry, you should choose something that's safe to carry with a round chambered (i.e. not a Sig P320). There are countless videos show

Because if you're going to carry, you should choose something that's safe to carry with a round chambered (i.e. not a Sig P320). There are countless videos showing real-world examples of defensive handgun use. One common thread is that there's virtually no time between when you realize you're going to need your sidearm and when you need it. The extra second it takes to rack the slide and chamber a round can be the difference between surviving the encounter and not.

arrowsmith 1y ago
> There are countless videos showing real-world examples of defensive handgun use. Tangential: if you enjoy watching that kind of content, I highly recommend the YouTube channel "Active Self Protection"
tshaddox 1y ago
> One common thread is that there's virtually no time between when you realize you're going to need your sidearm and when you need it. I would be surprised if this is true for the majority of situations. I'm sure there are situations where you have very little time, but also many situations where the additional time it would take to chamber a round is negligible.
- eYrKEC2 1y ago
  In addition to the lost time, you'll have a hard time racking the slide from the adrenaline dump. Also, the bad guys always have first-movers advantage and you're always playing catch up. After watching thousands of violent encounters on John Correia's "Active Self Protection" channel, I agree that round-in-the-chamber is absolutely necessary if you're carrying for self protection. https://www.youtube.com/@ActiveSelfProtection https://www.youtube.com/@ActiveSelfProtection
- esseph 1y ago
  Most states prevent you from drawing without firing, because it is considered brandishing / threatening. So you either draw and fire and call the police and tell them what happened, or you don't and just... deal with the consequences of whatever happened instead.
  - why_at 1y ago
    I know only an average amount about guns/gun laws (which is to say, not very much), but this seems pretty off to me. If someone is going to attack me with a knife, but then I draw a gun and they run away, surely that's not illegal because I didn't shoot them.
    - esseph 1y ago
      Search "brandishing laws"
      - why_at 1y ago
        I'm familiar with the idea of "brandishing" being illegal, but I looked it up anyway. I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menacing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menacing which says "Self-defense is often explicitly given as an exception." It seems like then it would be legal to draw a gun without firing if it was in self defense? I have a hard time believing that there are any cases where shooting someone in self defense would be legal, but scaring them away wouldn't.
        esseph 1y ago
        "There are various situations in which brandishing a firearm may occur. For instance, pulling out a gun during an argument or altercation with another person could be considered brandishing. Additionally, waving or gesturing with a firearm in a manner that suggests aggression or hostility towards others may also constitute brandishing. It is crucial to understand that even if no shots are fired, and no physical harm is inflicted, the mere act of displaying a weapon in such circumstances can lead to serious legal consequences." Source: https://www.dischleylaw.com/blog/2024/june/understanding-the-definition-and-implications-of/ https://www.dischleylaw.com/blog/2024/june/understanding-the...
        asa400 1y ago
        This is not exactly what you’re referencing but I bring it up to show just how complicated things can be: Minnesota recently ruled that you do not have the right to use deadly force if you have the opportunity to escape. And this is the crucial bit, quoting the article: “The court decided the principle also applies to people who merely use the threat of force — meaning one cannot pull a weapon in self-defense if there are other means to escape, even if the person is threatening them with death or bodily harm.” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme-court-self-defense-duty-to-retreat/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme...
- AceyMan 1y ago
  This just in: you don't get to pick the category of the emergency when SHTF. That's like saying "I only wear seat belts on the freeway" or something equivalently vapid.

arrowsmith 1y ago

> There are countless videos showing real-world examples of defensive handgun use. Tangential: if you enjoy watching that kind of content, I highly recommend the YouTube channel "Active Self Protection"

tshaddox 1y ago

> One common thread is that there's virtually no time between when you realize you're going to need your sidearm and when you need it. I would be surprised if this is true for the majority of situations. I'm sure there are situations where you have very little time, but also many situations where the additional time it would take to chamber a round is negligible.

eYrKEC2 1y ago
In addition to the lost time, you'll have a hard time racking the slide from the adrenaline dump. Also, the bad guys always have first-movers advantage and you're always playing catch up. After watching thousands of violent encounters on John Correia's "Active Self Protection" channel, I agree that round-in-the-chamber is absolutely necessary if you're carrying for self protection. https://www.youtube.com/@ActiveSelfProtection https://www.youtube.com/@ActiveSelfProtection
esseph 1y ago
Most states prevent you from drawing without firing, because it is considered brandishing / threatening. So you either draw and fire and call the police and tell them what happened, or you don't and just... deal with the consequences of whatever happened instead.
- why_at 1y ago
  I know only an average amount about guns/gun laws (which is to say, not very much), but this seems pretty off to me. If someone is going to attack me with a knife, but then I draw a gun and they run away, surely that's not illegal because I didn't shoot them.
  - esseph 1y ago
    Search "brandishing laws"
    - why_at 1y ago
      I'm familiar with the idea of "brandishing" being illegal, but I looked it up anyway. I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menacing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menacing which says "Self-defense is often explicitly given as an exception." It seems like then it would be legal to draw a gun without firing if it was in self defense? I have a hard time believing that there are any cases where shooting someone in self defense would be legal, but scaring them away wouldn't.
      - esseph 1y ago
        "There are various situations in which brandishing a firearm may occur. For instance, pulling out a gun during an argument or altercation with another person could be considered brandishing. Additionally, waving or gesturing with a firearm in a manner that suggests aggression or hostility towards others may also constitute brandishing. It is crucial to understand that even if no shots are fired, and no physical harm is inflicted, the mere act of displaying a weapon in such circumstances can lead to serious legal consequences." Source: https://www.dischleylaw.com/blog/2024/june/understanding-the-definition-and-implications-of/ https://www.dischleylaw.com/blog/2024/june/understanding-the...
      - asa400 1y ago
        This is not exactly what you’re referencing but I bring it up to show just how complicated things can be: Minnesota recently ruled that you do not have the right to use deadly force if you have the opportunity to escape. And this is the crucial bit, quoting the article: “The court decided the principle also applies to people who merely use the threat of force — meaning one cannot pull a weapon in self-defense if there are other means to escape, even if the person is threatening them with death or bodily harm.” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme-court-self-defense-duty-to-retreat/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme...
AceyMan 1y ago
This just in: you don't get to pick the category of the emergency when SHTF. That's like saying "I only wear seat belts on the freeway" or something equivalently vapid.