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Even more ironic is how few actual legal protections are afforded to foreign nationals: the majority of Switzerland-based service users such as PM. They actuall

Even more ironic is how few actual legal protections are afforded to foreign nationals: the majority of Switzerland-based service users such as PM. They actually do not deserve respect due to blatant abuse of this tired and wrong motif to sell ineffectual products.

rippeltippel 1y ago
What's ineffectual in Proton products? Could you please elaborate, as I'm considering moving to their suite?
- crinkly 1y ago
  Personally, and I have no relation to OP, there was no compelling security advantage for me. Email has no security guarantees unless you use PGP and I don’t know anyone who uses PGP. If someone wants to read my at rest mail they are going to compel me to hand over my keys anyway. And I think the best security policy when it comes to file services is: don’t. And on top of that I need to back up my email to my offline storage and doing that with their proprietary stuff is a pain. In the end I just moved to Fastmail and use it as a simple IMAP/SMTP service. Emails I don’t need any more are archived to offline folders in TB. My entire public cloud exposure is literally one imap mailbox (with 11 emails in it) and 1 static html file in fastmail’s public web service infra. Oh and separate DNS/domain provider.
- PeterStuer 1y ago
  Last time I was looking for a preferably european mail host for a new project I looked at Proton but they did not seem to have support for transactional mail. In the end I settled on Zoho, not European , but not US either.
  - Belphemur 1y ago
    I'd argue you where looking at the wrong tool for the job. ProtonMail is meant for human to human communication, not for automated emails.
    - PeterStuer 1y ago
      Yes, but for simplicity I was looking for a provider that had both mailboxes as well as a transactional mail solution for a SaaS project I am working on.
- tkj922 1y ago
  Not OP, but think twice. They make it extremely difficult to downgrade/withdraw once you chose a plan. Their hardware is actually not in the Switzerland either.

rippeltippel 1y ago

What's ineffectual in Proton products? Could you please elaborate, as I'm considering moving to their suite?

crinkly 1y ago
Personally, and I have no relation to OP, there was no compelling security advantage for me. Email has no security guarantees unless you use PGP and I don’t know anyone who uses PGP. If someone wants to read my at rest mail they are going to compel me to hand over my keys anyway. And I think the best security policy when it comes to file services is: don’t. And on top of that I need to back up my email to my offline storage and doing that with their proprietary stuff is a pain. In the end I just moved to Fastmail and use it as a simple IMAP/SMTP service. Emails I don’t need any more are archived to offline folders in TB. My entire public cloud exposure is literally one imap mailbox (with 11 emails in it) and 1 static html file in fastmail’s public web service infra. Oh and separate DNS/domain provider.
PeterStuer 1y ago
Last time I was looking for a preferably european mail host for a new project I looked at Proton but they did not seem to have support for transactional mail. In the end I settled on Zoho, not European , but not US either.
- Belphemur 1y ago
  I'd argue you where looking at the wrong tool for the job. ProtonMail is meant for human to human communication, not for automated emails.
  - PeterStuer 1y ago
    Yes, but for simplicity I was looking for a provider that had both mailboxes as well as a transactional mail solution for a SaaS project I am working on.
tkj922 1y ago
Not OP, but think twice. They make it extremely difficult to downgrade/withdraw once you chose a plan. Their hardware is actually not in the Switzerland either.