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…says the Hamas-run health ministry. Nothing to see here, no conflicts of interest. Let’s trust the people who kidnapped babies and raped and pillaged their w

…says the Hamas-run health ministry. Nothing to see here, no conflicts of interest. Let’s trust the people who kidnapped babies and raped and pillaged their way across southern israel.

DSingularity 1y ago
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- ngruhn 1y ago
  For having an opinion you don't like? This attitude is tearing America apart.
  - santoshalper 1y ago
    No. Awful people are tearing American apart. Not the moral courage to condemn them.
- ActorNightly 1y ago
  I find reaction of pro Palestine people to the Israeli/Palestine conflict where they make it extremely personal very interesting. Where is the same energy for what is going on in US?
  - lbrito 1y ago
    Is there an ongoing genocide happening in the US?
    - ActorNightly 1y ago
      There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about. And as far as US, you had a distinct movement that was against Kamala specifically because she was pro Israel. I really don't understand the obsession with this particular conflict to the point where you feel like you are in the moral right by essentially punishing US people and making it worse for the people you care about (in terms of Republicans being way more pro Israel), specifically because the democratic party, didn't offer up a candidate that is EXPLICITLY against Israel.
      - lbrito 1y ago
        >There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about. Sounds a lot like whataboutism. I heard a lot of that term going around whenever anyone dared mention any non-mainstream talking point about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but funnily enough, no one seems to talk about now.
        ActorNightly 1y ago
        Lol its not whataboutism. You can't do this thing where you just throw in fallacies at something randomly do discredit. Whataboutism is when you justify the wrongdoing of X by pointing out that Y is also wrong and nothing is being done about it. Im simply pointing out that if your outrage about Palestine is genocide, then you should be outraged about the other genocides. You can either agree, or you can further narrow down your position on why specifically Palestine conflict is the one you chose to place your outrage on, and not others.
        lbrito 1y ago
        It absolutely is about whataboutism insofar as people here (not you specifically) use it as a pseudo-argument that automatically wins a discussion, but applying it only when convenient for their political preferences or worldview. Took me a while, but: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31084334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31084334 Compare our two posts: "I can think of one very powerful country doing exactly that for over half a century. Hope we're all collectively raging against anything coming from that country." and "There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about." Please be honest and fair. Don't you agree both of these arguments are more or less in the same vein? We're both pointing out that Bad Shit is happening elsewhere in time or space, and for some reason we think that public attention/outrage is unfairly shifted towards a specific conflict. We both imply that there is a deliberate political reason leading to that specific conflict being in the limelight and not any other conflict. Given our little discussion here, I probably strongly disagree with you on the specifics of this specific conflict (Gaza). But we both have made the same argument, coming from diametrically opposed points of view: we both think (correct me if I'm wrong) that people/media/society etc have pet conflicts to be outraged with in detriment of all other ongoing conflicts. Or in short -- hypocrisy. Although I disagree with you, I very much think this specific argument is absolutely valid. My point is that media and online people (HN) were very eager to scream Whataboutism when the exact same comment was made in another context (Ukraine), but everyone seems to have forgotten about Whataboutism in this conflict when people like yourself make comments in the same vein.
austin-cheney 1y ago
To the best of my knowledge the doctors running the health ministry did not kidnap anybody.
- dlubarov 1y ago
  Some of the rescued hostages were held by a family that included a doctor (Ahmed Aljamal) and a journalist.
lupusreal 1y ago
Genocide denial is a bad look.
- DSingularity 1y ago
  He knows exactly what he is doing. That’s what makes this disgusting. He knows that 50.000 women and children dead is most likely a lower bound as there are likely hundred thousand plus buried under the rubble. He also knows that his government is starving a million people to try to eliminate the 10.000 fighters that are surviving.
- splintercell 1y ago
  If I accuse you of committing a genocide, you have no way of defending yourself if you in fact are not doing it?
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    You're talking about the most documented genocide in human history. The whole world is watching; Israel's crimes against humanity will never be forgotten.

…says the Hamas-run health ministry. Nothing to see here, no conflicts of interest. Let’s trust the people who kidnapped babies and raped and pillaged their way across southern israel.

DSingularity 1y ago

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ngruhn 1y ago
For having an opinion you don't like? This attitude is tearing America apart.
- santoshalper 1y ago
  No. Awful people are tearing American apart. Not the moral courage to condemn them.
ActorNightly 1y ago
I find reaction of pro Palestine people to the Israeli/Palestine conflict where they make it extremely personal very interesting. Where is the same energy for what is going on in US?
- lbrito 1y ago
  Is there an ongoing genocide happening in the US?
  - ActorNightly 1y ago
    There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about. And as far as US, you had a distinct movement that was against Kamala specifically because she was pro Israel. I really don't understand the obsession with this particular conflict to the point where you feel like you are in the moral right by essentially punishing US people and making it worse for the people you care about (in terms of Republicans being way more pro Israel), specifically because the democratic party, didn't offer up a candidate that is EXPLICITLY against Israel.
    - lbrito 1y ago
      >There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about. Sounds a lot like whataboutism. I heard a lot of that term going around whenever anyone dared mention any non-mainstream talking point about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but funnily enough, no one seems to talk about now.
      - ActorNightly 1y ago
        Lol its not whataboutism. You can't do this thing where you just throw in fallacies at something randomly do discredit. Whataboutism is when you justify the wrongdoing of X by pointing out that Y is also wrong and nothing is being done about it. Im simply pointing out that if your outrage about Palestine is genocide, then you should be outraged about the other genocides. You can either agree, or you can further narrow down your position on why specifically Palestine conflict is the one you chose to place your outrage on, and not others.
        lbrito 1y ago
        It absolutely is about whataboutism insofar as people here (not you specifically) use it as a pseudo-argument that automatically wins a discussion, but applying it only when convenient for their political preferences or worldview. Took me a while, but: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31084334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31084334 Compare our two posts: "I can think of one very powerful country doing exactly that for over half a century. Hope we're all collectively raging against anything coming from that country." and "There are other genocides happening in Myanmar and Sudan that nobody talks about." Please be honest and fair. Don't you agree both of these arguments are more or less in the same vein? We're both pointing out that Bad Shit is happening elsewhere in time or space, and for some reason we think that public attention/outrage is unfairly shifted towards a specific conflict. We both imply that there is a deliberate political reason leading to that specific conflict being in the limelight and not any other conflict. Given our little discussion here, I probably strongly disagree with you on the specifics of this specific conflict (Gaza). But we both have made the same argument, coming from diametrically opposed points of view: we both think (correct me if I'm wrong) that people/media/society etc have pet conflicts to be outraged with in detriment of all other ongoing conflicts. Or in short -- hypocrisy. Although I disagree with you, I very much think this specific argument is absolutely valid. My point is that media and online people (HN) were very eager to scream Whataboutism when the exact same comment was made in another context (Ukraine), but everyone seems to have forgotten about Whataboutism in this conflict when people like yourself make comments in the same vein.

austin-cheney 1y ago

To the best of my knowledge the doctors running the health ministry did not kidnap anybody.

dlubarov 1y ago
Some of the rescued hostages were held by a family that included a doctor (Ahmed Aljamal) and a journalist.

lupusreal 1y ago

Genocide denial is a bad look.

DSingularity 1y ago
He knows exactly what he is doing. That’s what makes this disgusting. He knows that 50.000 women and children dead is most likely a lower bound as there are likely hundred thousand plus buried under the rubble. He also knows that his government is starving a million people to try to eliminate the 10.000 fighters that are surviving.
splintercell 1y ago
If I accuse you of committing a genocide, you have no way of defending yourself if you in fact are not doing it?
- lupusreal 1y ago
  You're talking about the most documented genocide in human history. The whole world is watching; Israel's crimes against humanity will never be forgotten.