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Then your friend is free to not buy these goods she deems "dangerous". Why stop those of us who want to buy it?

wat10000 1y ago
Because I want to be able to just buy stuff, not have to spend hours researching whether some trinket is going to poison me. I’d be ok with dangerous products being available for purchase if they’re labeled as such.
- throwawaylaptop 1y ago
  Just shop at higher end stores. If I want to gamble and search for an item I go to Temu. If I want good enough, I go to value based US retailers. If I want 'a bit better' I go the slightly more expensive ones known for curating their for sale items a bit. If I want quality, I go to a specialty shop and ask a sales representative for the desired quality.
  - john01dav 1y ago
    There's no guarantee that something is better just because it's more expensive or has marketing that says that it's better. Specialist knowledge and quite a lot of time is required to properly evaluate a product. Consider that Amazon is full of questionable products. I have also seen non-UL-listed (or listed with anyone else) phone chargers in physical stores in the united states. You can't rely on reputation either in an age of enshittification.
    - throwawaylaptop 1y ago
      You can rely on reputation when the store has a reputation for decent curation. I didn't say just buy a more expensive thing on Amazon. I said go to a better store. Costco has Chinese stuff everywhere, but I trust Costco to pick decent stuff.
      - john01dav 1y ago
        I just asked someone whom I know who is skilled at evaluating consumer electronics and they said that Costco has more badly made junk "than you'd think". So, it seems like this is an example of marketing being unreliable for finding truth but effective in driving reputation. This person's source of income is repairing consumer electronics.
        throwawaylaptop 1y ago
        I've been shopping at Costco/price club since 1989. I've very rarely been led astray, and when I have their amazing return policy has more than made up for it. Costco was just an example of curation. But yes, it's more of "good value on acceptable quality" not high quality itself. Also, idk what marketing Costco does. They earned their reputation with me.
- slaw 1y ago
  Shop somewhere else, nobody is forcing you to shop directly from China.
  - wat10000 1y ago
    Are you under the impression that China is the only place that could make unsafe things? If so, why do you think that is?
    - slaw 1y ago
      No
      - wat10000 1y ago
        Then how exactly is "nobody is forcing you to shop directly from China" a meaningful reply?
arp242 1y ago
So every consumer will have to do a full toxicology study before they buy anything? Or electrical safety study. Or whatever. And because the same product can come from different sources (or may change from one day to the next), you will need to do this every time. And what if I get cancer anyway? Every consumer will have to sue some random person in China? Completely unworkable.

Because I want to be able to just buy stuff, not have to spend hours researching whether some trinket is going to poison me. I’d be ok with dangerous products being available for purchase if they’re labeled as such.

throwawaylaptop 1y ago
Just shop at higher end stores. If I want to gamble and search for an item I go to Temu. If I want good enough, I go to value based US retailers. If I want 'a bit better' I go the slightly more expensive ones known for curating their for sale items a bit. If I want quality, I go to a specialty shop and ask a sales representative for the desired quality.
- john01dav 1y ago
  There's no guarantee that something is better just because it's more expensive or has marketing that says that it's better. Specialist knowledge and quite a lot of time is required to properly evaluate a product. Consider that Amazon is full of questionable products. I have also seen non-UL-listed (or listed with anyone else) phone chargers in physical stores in the united states. You can't rely on reputation either in an age of enshittification.
  - throwawaylaptop 1y ago
    You can rely on reputation when the store has a reputation for decent curation. I didn't say just buy a more expensive thing on Amazon. I said go to a better store. Costco has Chinese stuff everywhere, but I trust Costco to pick decent stuff.
    - john01dav 1y ago
      I just asked someone whom I know who is skilled at evaluating consumer electronics and they said that Costco has more badly made junk "than you'd think". So, it seems like this is an example of marketing being unreliable for finding truth but effective in driving reputation. This person's source of income is repairing consumer electronics.
      - throwawaylaptop 1y ago
        I've been shopping at Costco/price club since 1989. I've very rarely been led astray, and when I have their amazing return policy has more than made up for it. Costco was just an example of curation. But yes, it's more of "good value on acceptable quality" not high quality itself. Also, idk what marketing Costco does. They earned their reputation with me.
slaw 1y ago
Shop somewhere else, nobody is forcing you to shop directly from China.
- wat10000 1y ago
  Are you under the impression that China is the only place that could make unsafe things? If so, why do you think that is?
  - slaw 1y ago
    No
    - wat10000 1y ago
      Then how exactly is "nobody is forcing you to shop directly from China" a meaningful reply?

arp242 1y ago

So every consumer will have to do a full toxicology study before they buy anything? Or electrical safety study. Or whatever. And because the same product can come from different sources (or may change from one day to the next), you will need to do this every time. And what if I get cancer anyway? Every consumer will have to sue some random person in China? Completely unworkable.