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I really want to see more dorm style apartments available in NYC, see: https://www.evergreen.edu/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/2023-05/a-floorplans-1%

I really want to see more dorm style apartments available in NYC, see: https://www.evergreen.edu/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/2023-05/a-floorplans-1%20copy.jpg.webp https://www.evergreen.edu/sites/default/files/styles/large/p... Even more tenement type layouts would be spectacular for increasing stock, but this is just half of the problem. It's all entirely dependent on reducing the level of greed landlords can get away with today.

mycodendral 1y ago
I would rather it just be expensive to live in NYC
- epistasis 1y ago
  I can see the benefit to allowing more people to live in NYC, at cheaper prices, because it gives more people more options. Can you explain what benefit could come from making NYC more expensive? Who benefits from that, and how? I could see landowners wanting that, but that's such a tiny fraction of the NYC populace that I doubt that's your motivation...
  - hemloc_io 1y ago
    Generally speaking it’s “quality of life”. NYC doesn’t have any physical gates, but living in manhattan in particular, has a high financial gate, keeping out people who can’t afford it. Generally people paying 5k+ rents aren’t committing violent crime, homeless sweeps actually happen here and it’s not really possible to sleep on the street. If you live in an exclusive neighborhood, it’s pretty clean and safe. there’s angst cheaper rent would change that EDIT: In a lot of ways NYC’s wealthy and the upper middle class that mostly lives in manhattan have mutual interests the biggest being public safety interesting interview if you’re interested in more https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/odd-lots/id1056200096?i=1000716800532 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/odd-lots/id1056200096?...
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 1y ago
    >Can you explain what benefit could come from making NYC more expensive? People in cities have fewer children, and since children are the future tax base you might want that to occur so that you're not ground up into dogfood in your old age to pay down the national debt. I do wonder how people think office buildings will comply with fire code which demands multiple avenues of escape from bedrooms during such a catastrophe.
    - epistasis 1y ago
      I think that's confusing correlation and causation on childbirth there. Other places in the world that do not require multiple exits for fires tend to have lower rates of fire death than we do in the US. The multiple exits thing is not actually for fire safety, it's to make multifamily housing harder to build and have less pleasant floor plans. Better fire suppression technology, having closer access to the stairs, are things that actually improve fire safety in practice.
  - DoneWithAllThat 1y ago
    Can you explain what the benefit is of giving “people” more options (putting people in quotes because they could be current residents, it could be visitors, it could be hypothetical would-residents, it could be people in Alaska - I don’t know what you’re referring to). Also while it may “give people more options” it inevitably would increase density in one of the most dense cities in the western world. Can you explain why that’s a good thing too?
    - epistasis 1y ago
      People move to New York City because they want to live in a dense environment. Currently, options to live in NYC are severely undersupplied compared to the demand to live there. If there was more housing in NYC, a lot more people would choose to live there. Giving people an option to choose a better life for themself is good in and of itself in my opinion. Further, density is far better for the environment, greatly decreasing our impact on the environment, and making it easier for us to prevent climate change. It's also far better for the economy, for arts, for science... nearly all human endeavors benefit from the density of cities.
newshackr 1y ago
NYC restricts building height to restrict population by land area. There isn't really a need for small apartments since population density is the limiting factor not space. You could build a not much more expensive apartment building instead of a dorm for the same population.
- spaceribs 1y ago
  Right, which is part of the reason bad zoning laws are the cause of the current rent affordability crisis, they should also be changed.
kccqzy 1y ago
In that floor plan some units don't even have their own dedicated bathroom, let alone kitchens. By allowing this kind of housing to be built, you are actually increasing the level of greed landlords can get away with.
- spaceribs 1y ago
  Is it inhumane or just inconvenient? I think we should have all sorts of housing including this sort, and people should be able to select their experience and cost (above a humane standard). When I traveled through Japan a few years ago, my group stayed at everything from super expensive Onsens, to basic airport hotels, to capsule hotels in Tokyo. The flexibility to choose the kind of stay I wanted was fantastic and allowed us to stay within a budget while getting the full experience both inside and outside of metropolitan areas. Your perspective disregards how little a post-grad college student should have to care about managing spaces they only sometimes use and would otherwise need to fully maintain themselves.

mycodendral 1y ago

I would rather it just be expensive to live in NYC

epistasis 1y ago
I can see the benefit to allowing more people to live in NYC, at cheaper prices, because it gives more people more options. Can you explain what benefit could come from making NYC more expensive? Who benefits from that, and how? I could see landowners wanting that, but that's such a tiny fraction of the NYC populace that I doubt that's your motivation...
- hemloc_io 1y ago
  Generally speaking it’s “quality of life”. NYC doesn’t have any physical gates, but living in manhattan in particular, has a high financial gate, keeping out people who can’t afford it. Generally people paying 5k+ rents aren’t committing violent crime, homeless sweeps actually happen here and it’s not really possible to sleep on the street. If you live in an exclusive neighborhood, it’s pretty clean and safe. there’s angst cheaper rent would change that EDIT: In a lot of ways NYC’s wealthy and the upper middle class that mostly lives in manhattan have mutual interests the biggest being public safety interesting interview if you’re interested in more https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/odd-lots/id1056200096?i=1000716800532 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/odd-lots/id1056200096?...
- NoMoreNicksLeft 1y ago
  >Can you explain what benefit could come from making NYC more expensive? People in cities have fewer children, and since children are the future tax base you might want that to occur so that you're not ground up into dogfood in your old age to pay down the national debt. I do wonder how people think office buildings will comply with fire code which demands multiple avenues of escape from bedrooms during such a catastrophe.
  - epistasis 1y ago
    I think that's confusing correlation and causation on childbirth there. Other places in the world that do not require multiple exits for fires tend to have lower rates of fire death than we do in the US. The multiple exits thing is not actually for fire safety, it's to make multifamily housing harder to build and have less pleasant floor plans. Better fire suppression technology, having closer access to the stairs, are things that actually improve fire safety in practice.
- DoneWithAllThat 1y ago
  Can you explain what the benefit is of giving “people” more options (putting people in quotes because they could be current residents, it could be visitors, it could be hypothetical would-residents, it could be people in Alaska - I don’t know what you’re referring to). Also while it may “give people more options” it inevitably would increase density in one of the most dense cities in the western world. Can you explain why that’s a good thing too?
  - epistasis 1y ago
    People move to New York City because they want to live in a dense environment. Currently, options to live in NYC are severely undersupplied compared to the demand to live there. If there was more housing in NYC, a lot more people would choose to live there. Giving people an option to choose a better life for themself is good in and of itself in my opinion. Further, density is far better for the environment, greatly decreasing our impact on the environment, and making it easier for us to prevent climate change. It's also far better for the economy, for arts, for science... nearly all human endeavors benefit from the density of cities.

newshackr 1y ago

NYC restricts building height to restrict population by land area. There isn't really a need for small apartments since population density is the limiting factor not space. You could build a not much more expensive apartment building instead of a dorm for the same population.

spaceribs 1y ago
Right, which is part of the reason bad zoning laws are the cause of the current rent affordability crisis, they should also be changed.

kccqzy 1y ago

In that floor plan some units don't even have their own dedicated bathroom, let alone kitchens. By allowing this kind of housing to be built, you are actually increasing the level of greed landlords can get away with.

spaceribs 1y ago
Is it inhumane or just inconvenient? I think we should have all sorts of housing including this sort, and people should be able to select their experience and cost (above a humane standard). When I traveled through Japan a few years ago, my group stayed at everything from super expensive Onsens, to basic airport hotels, to capsule hotels in Tokyo. The flexibility to choose the kind of stay I wanted was fantastic and allowed us to stay within a budget while getting the full experience both inside and outside of metropolitan areas. Your perspective disregards how little a post-grad college student should have to care about managing spaces they only sometimes use and would otherwise need to fully maintain themselves.