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They aren't breaking up NOAA just for the sake of privatization, reliable weather reporting also makes it harder to ignore Climate Change. From Project 2025 "[N

They aren't breaking up NOAA just for the sake of privatization, reliable weather reporting also makes it harder to ignore Climate Change. From Project 2025 "[NOAA offices] form a colossal operation that has become one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry and, as such, is harmful to future U.S. prosperity."

falcor84 1y ago
> climate change alarm industry I would actually like to buy a climate change alarm clock
- evilkorn 1y ago
  10 minutes till midnight. Put it right next to your nuclear clock
- whycome 1y ago
  We just keep hitting snooze. That's how we got into this mess. (It's a future generation's problem, right?...)
  - fknorangesite 1y ago
    > We just keep hitting snooze. Hah I wish - hitting snooze would at least push it back. We're just putting our heads under the pillow to try and ignore the blaring alarm.
  - h2zizzle 1y ago
    Gonna make one of those novelty clocks themed around the financial boom-bust cycle, where, to silence it, you have to get out of bed and literally kick a can.
malfist 1y ago
> is harmful to future U.S. prosperity So is sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the coming disaster. Next quarter thinking should not be the government policy.
- andsoitis 1y ago
  Don’t look up!
xorcist 1y ago
> main drivers of the climate change alarm industry This is clearly dog whistle langauge and not intended to be taken literally, but it is starting to be a common trope and it makes me very curious as to how this industry operates? What's their main source of income, who benefits from it, and how? And what is the supposed goal of it? Raising the alarm about a conceieved threat could be a way to raise money for more research, which might indirectly benefit those scientists. But we haven't really seen a corresponding massive increase in scientists employed, and even if we did, they would have to find some way to leak money through publicly funded research to their own private enterprises because so far no one has suggested that we pay scientific researchers too much. The way to combat that would be to demand more transparency from universities, but they're already pretty good about that. It also doesn't match very well what those scientists are actually saying. Which is mostly that the basic science is indisputable since the past century and more research is not required but action. Had the climate scientists been siphoning public money through alarmists schemes, wouldn't they rather say that things are very dire but "don't touch! We need much more expensive research before we can give any concrete advice"?
- aerostable_slug 1y ago
  I don't think the allegation is that the scientists themselves are who benefits. Rather, I think the allegation is that it's those involved in renewable energy development schemes that result from the raised alarm, from product vendors to site developers to construction contractors to energy trading firms to... See also: politicians pushing Green New Deal type policies. The scientists are enablers, not the primary beneficiaries, at least as I understand the allegations.
  - xorcist 1y ago
    That's a real issue with several real life examples, but not really related to the issue of climate change or climate alarmism, is it? There's been plenty of extended circles around political interests that has lined their pockets in matters of alcohol and drug prevention, abuse prevention and health care, but very few people seem to be taking the local step to actually, alcohol are good for you and anyone that says otherwise should be labelled alcohol alarmists. It's pretty unique to climate research. I seem to remember that there were was a enormous backlash against CFC bans, and lots of talk about how it would lead to the spread of preventable illness and economic disaster, but it never reached nearly the same levels of anti scientific discourse as we see today.

falcor84 1y ago

> climate change alarm industry I would actually like to buy a climate change alarm clock

evilkorn 1y ago
10 minutes till midnight. Put it right next to your nuclear clock
whycome 1y ago
We just keep hitting snooze. That's how we got into this mess. (It's a future generation's problem, right?...)
- fknorangesite 1y ago
  > We just keep hitting snooze. Hah I wish - hitting snooze would at least push it back. We're just putting our heads under the pillow to try and ignore the blaring alarm.
- h2zizzle 1y ago
  Gonna make one of those novelty clocks themed around the financial boom-bust cycle, where, to silence it, you have to get out of bed and literally kick a can.

malfist 1y ago

> is harmful to future U.S. prosperity So is sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the coming disaster. Next quarter thinking should not be the government policy.

andsoitis 1y ago
Don’t look up!

xorcist 1y ago

> main drivers of the climate change alarm industry This is clearly dog whistle langauge and not intended to be taken literally, but it is starting to be a common trope and it makes me very curious as to how this industry operates? What's their main source of income, who benefits from it, and how? And what is the supposed goal of it? Raising the alarm about a conceieved threat could be a way to raise money for more research, which might indirectly benefit those scientists. But we haven't really seen a corresponding massive increase in scientists employed, and even if we did, they would have to find some way to leak money through publicly funded research to their own private enterprises because so far no one has suggested that we pay scientific researchers too much. The way to combat that would be to demand more transparency from universities, but they're already pretty good about that. It also doesn't match very well what those scientists are actually saying. Which is mostly that the basic science is indisputable since the past century and more research is not required but action. Had the climate scientists been siphoning public money through alarmists schemes, wouldn't they rather say that things are very dire but "don't touch! We need much more expensive research before we can give any concrete advice"?

aerostable_slug 1y ago
I don't think the allegation is that the scientists themselves are who benefits. Rather, I think the allegation is that it's those involved in renewable energy development schemes that result from the raised alarm, from product vendors to site developers to construction contractors to energy trading firms to... See also: politicians pushing Green New Deal type policies. The scientists are enablers, not the primary beneficiaries, at least as I understand the allegations.
- xorcist 1y ago
  That's a real issue with several real life examples, but not really related to the issue of climate change or climate alarmism, is it? There's been plenty of extended circles around political interests that has lined their pockets in matters of alcohol and drug prevention, abuse prevention and health care, but very few people seem to be taking the local step to actually, alcohol are good for you and anyone that says otherwise should be labelled alcohol alarmists. It's pretty unique to climate research. I seem to remember that there were was a enormous backlash against CFC bans, and lots of talk about how it would lead to the spread of preventable illness and economic disaster, but it never reached nearly the same levels of anti scientific discourse as we see today.