5 ms·

Wait, so are humans actually going to the moon for the first time in my lifetime in 2027?

by windows2020 1y ago

protocolture 1y ago
I wouldnt hold your breath. There was a great writeup here only a few months ago about why 2027 was already an overly ambitious target.
naysunjr 1y ago
NASA going back to the moon and Musk to Mars is nothing but pipe dreams to sell the story mode types. The US government has pivoted to animal husbandry of the populace through techno police state, and handing sycophants to power their own title, land and serfs
- notfish 1y ago
  My ex coworkers at spacex are pretty damn motivated to get to mars, many of them despite all the Musking happening. I wouldn’t bet against them.
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    Can they please get him to Mars?
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
  - bongripper 1y ago
    [dead]
  - naysunjr 1y ago
    You ever see that video of the flat Earther who disregarded what his own eyes saw for his memorized semantics? Your ex workers goto work whistling Star Trek TNG theme song? Come on… the shit people believe? Some people just “believe” to make money but so many many more believe in American civil religion, or whatever stream of consciousness they simmered in early on. I’m not hating. I’m saying direct experience is truth not our visual syntax. Still waiting for my nuclear powered… everything. Where’s my mini commuter helo and …etc etc etc It’s a government job with extra steps. No hate. Good grift if you can get it.
  - blitzar 1y ago
    We will be on Mars by the end of the year.
    - cube00 1y ago
      How many years have they been pushing that line now?
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        That's the trick. You don't say which year.
  - RALaBarge 1y ago
    I wouldnt bet against them either, but the material science aspect of it all just isnt there and wont be for a while. How many tons would we need to get into Earth orbit alone, let alone transfer to mars? I never hear anyone speak of the radiation outside of our atmosphere very often when it comes to 'moonshot' ideas like this, and how we would be incapable of preventing it or surviving it once we arrive, in our current biological form. How much would it cost to get all the lead or H20 you would need to generate a barrier against it into orbit? Do we need to have a moon base extracting materials for us to even think about transferring orbits? Its all pie in the sky, and that is great because the sky is a pie that we should long to eat, but lets not fool ourselves that in ours or our childrens childrens lifetimes we will have a human on a planet that is not Earth.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      > I never hear anyone speak of the radiation outside of our atmosphere very often when it comes to 'moonshot' ideas like this, and how we would be incapable of preventing it or surviving it once we arrive, in our current biological form. Eh, it's not that out of the realm of possible. It's about twice what ISS astronauts experience, without any mitigation efforts like shielding. https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia04258-comparison-of-martian-radiation-environment-with-international-space-station/ https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia04258-comparison-of-marti... > How much would it cost to get all the lead or H20 you would need to generate a barrier against it into orbit? Do we need to have a moon base extracting materials for us to even think about transferring orbits? The astronauts will need water either way. Might as well have it be useful in transit.
    - naysunjr 1y ago
      It will never happen. Zero evidence any organic as complex as a human can move planets. It’s not an emergent event that’s common enough for us to have observed so far it’s too unlikely. Some dried goo in a meteor or some poetic notion of consciousness being the innate physical interaction of electromagnetism and matter such that consciousness is everywhere and imagining the potential is as good as humans will ever get.
      - 1y ago
  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    They can be as excited as they want, but we are decades away from that even being a sliver of a chance of happening. None of the science or groundwork is there to actually make that happen. Any manned trip to Mars is a guaranteed suicide mission, if they even get there at all. And that's without even discussing the politics of a system like that. We can't even agree children should have food in this country. Our population is getting poorer, less healthcare, losing hope and gaining debt. And somehow we're ready to create a colony that is entirely dependent on us that can never be abandoned that requires resupplies so expensive that they could feed every child in America multiple times over for no known benefit?
ACCount36 1y ago
In your lifetime? Probably. In 2027? Fat fucking chance. That deadline is never going to hold - too many things are just nowhere near ready. By now, I expect NET 2030.
venusenvy47 1y ago
China has these upcoming plans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program#Upcoming_missions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Prog...
deleted 1y ago
[deleted]

Wait, so are humans actually going to the moon for the first time in my lifetime in 2027?

I wouldnt hold your breath. There was a great writeup here only a few months ago about why 2027 was already an overly ambitious target.

naysunjr 1y ago

NASA going back to the moon and Musk to Mars is nothing but pipe dreams to sell the story mode types. The US government has pivoted to animal husbandry of the populace through techno police state, and handing sycophants to power their own title, land and serfs

notfish 1y ago
My ex coworkers at spacex are pretty damn motivated to get to mars, many of them despite all the Musking happening. I wouldn’t bet against them.
- BobaFloutist 1y ago
  Can they please get him to Mars?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
- bongripper 1y ago
  [dead]
- naysunjr 1y ago
  You ever see that video of the flat Earther who disregarded what his own eyes saw for his memorized semantics? Your ex workers goto work whistling Star Trek TNG theme song? Come on… the shit people believe? Some people just “believe” to make money but so many many more believe in American civil religion, or whatever stream of consciousness they simmered in early on. I’m not hating. I’m saying direct experience is truth not our visual syntax. Still waiting for my nuclear powered… everything. Where’s my mini commuter helo and …etc etc etc It’s a government job with extra steps. No hate. Good grift if you can get it.
- blitzar 1y ago
  We will be on Mars by the end of the year.
  - cube00 1y ago
    How many years have they been pushing that line now?
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      That's the trick. You don't say which year.
- RALaBarge 1y ago
  I wouldnt bet against them either, but the material science aspect of it all just isnt there and wont be for a while. How many tons would we need to get into Earth orbit alone, let alone transfer to mars? I never hear anyone speak of the radiation outside of our atmosphere very often when it comes to 'moonshot' ideas like this, and how we would be incapable of preventing it or surviving it once we arrive, in our current biological form. How much would it cost to get all the lead or H20 you would need to generate a barrier against it into orbit? Do we need to have a moon base extracting materials for us to even think about transferring orbits? Its all pie in the sky, and that is great because the sky is a pie that we should long to eat, but lets not fool ourselves that in ours or our childrens childrens lifetimes we will have a human on a planet that is not Earth.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    > I never hear anyone speak of the radiation outside of our atmosphere very often when it comes to 'moonshot' ideas like this, and how we would be incapable of preventing it or surviving it once we arrive, in our current biological form. Eh, it's not that out of the realm of possible. It's about twice what ISS astronauts experience, without any mitigation efforts like shielding. https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia04258-comparison-of-martian-radiation-environment-with-international-space-station/ https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia04258-comparison-of-marti... > How much would it cost to get all the lead or H20 you would need to generate a barrier against it into orbit? Do we need to have a moon base extracting materials for us to even think about transferring orbits? The astronauts will need water either way. Might as well have it be useful in transit.
  - naysunjr 1y ago
    It will never happen. Zero evidence any organic as complex as a human can move planets. It’s not an emergent event that’s common enough for us to have observed so far it’s too unlikely. Some dried goo in a meteor or some poetic notion of consciousness being the innate physical interaction of electromagnetism and matter such that consciousness is everywhere and imagining the potential is as good as humans will ever get.
    - 1y ago
- Tadpole9181 1y ago
  They can be as excited as they want, but we are decades away from that even being a sliver of a chance of happening. None of the science or groundwork is there to actually make that happen. Any manned trip to Mars is a guaranteed suicide mission, if they even get there at all. And that's without even discussing the politics of a system like that. We can't even agree children should have food in this country. Our population is getting poorer, less healthcare, losing hope and gaining debt. And somehow we're ready to create a colony that is entirely dependent on us that can never be abandoned that requires resupplies so expensive that they could feed every child in America multiple times over for no known benefit?

ACCount36 1y ago

In your lifetime? Probably. In 2027? Fat fucking chance. That deadline is never going to hold - too many things are just nowhere near ready. By now, I expect NET 2030.

venusenvy47 1y ago

China has these upcoming plans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program#Upcoming_missions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Prog...

deleted 1y ago

[deleted]