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Bad place to build successful companies compared to America.

by ITB 1y ago

djaychela 1y ago
I think it might depend on how you define success?
- davkan 1y ago
  Profit for the founders and the shareholders is the only definition anyone cares about in the states. The idea that a business could be considered successful by just providing a living wage for its owners and employees or contributing to the community is not a consideration. People in this country see a single person startup making a few million dollars to be a greater success story than providing for the lives and well being of 20 employees for a decade.
ryandrake 1y ago
Who cares? I’m really, really starting to question how much of an Ultimate Flex “good for companies” is, when it comes at the expense of: standard of living, worker’s rights, privacy, a safety net, and everything else America lacks due to its single minded focus on being “good for business.”
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > Who cares? Capitalists (the class, and the ideological faction devoted to promoting the interests of that class.)
- ecb_penguin 1y ago
  > Who cares? Me, who enjoys higher salaries, more jobs, better benefits, better healthcare, better schools, more diversity, and higher purchasing power. Also it's more fun to work for US tech companies than Nokia :).
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    You don't have better healthcare, and most Americans don't have any of those things
    - bethekidyouwant 1y ago
      Are you claiming that if you have the money, America doesn’t have better healthcare?
      - saubeidl 1y ago
        As somebody who has money and lived in the US, absolutely. The system is a joke. It takes forever to get MRI appointments. Everything has so much bureaucracy. You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. And it's visible in outcomes, too. Life expectancy in the EU is around 5 years higher than in the US.
        ecb_penguin 1y ago
        I think you've seriously confused the US and Europe. > You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. No I don't? I log into my hospital health system, click a button to schedule a specialist, pick a time, and then submit. "In 2023, the average waiting time was lowest in the U.S. and Switzerland (28 days), while it was highest in Spain (77 days) and France (63 days)." - https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-for-a-doctors-appointment/ https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-f... > Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. That's how it works here too, lol. Are you comparing 1980s US vs 2020s Europe??? You know we have computers here in the US now...
        saubeidl 1y ago
        Every single time I've went to a practice in the US, the first thing I had to do was fill out stacks of forms. I've never had to deal that here in the EU. Has that really changed in the past five years?

Bad place to build successful companies compared to America.

by ITB 1y ago

Bad place to build successful companies compared to America.

djaychela 1y ago

I think it might depend on how you define success?

davkan 1y ago
Profit for the founders and the shareholders is the only definition anyone cares about in the states. The idea that a business could be considered successful by just providing a living wage for its owners and employees or contributing to the community is not a consideration. People in this country see a single person startup making a few million dollars to be a greater success story than providing for the lives and well being of 20 employees for a decade.

ryandrake 1y ago

Who cares? I’m really, really starting to question how much of an Ultimate Flex “good for companies” is, when it comes at the expense of: standard of living, worker’s rights, privacy, a safety net, and everything else America lacks due to its single minded focus on being “good for business.”

dragonwriter 1y ago
> Who cares? Capitalists (the class, and the ideological faction devoted to promoting the interests of that class.)
ecb_penguin 1y ago
> Who cares? Me, who enjoys higher salaries, more jobs, better benefits, better healthcare, better schools, more diversity, and higher purchasing power. Also it's more fun to work for US tech companies than Nokia :).
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  You don't have better healthcare, and most Americans don't have any of those things
  - bethekidyouwant 1y ago
    Are you claiming that if you have the money, America doesn’t have better healthcare?
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      As somebody who has money and lived in the US, absolutely. The system is a joke. It takes forever to get MRI appointments. Everything has so much bureaucracy. You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. And it's visible in outcomes, too. Life expectancy in the EU is around 5 years higher than in the US.
      - ecb_penguin 1y ago
        I think you've seriously confused the US and Europe. > You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. No I don't? I log into my hospital health system, click a button to schedule a specialist, pick a time, and then submit. "In 2023, the average waiting time was lowest in the U.S. and Switzerland (28 days), while it was highest in Spain (77 days) and France (63 days)." - https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-for-a-doctors-appointment/ https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-f... > Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. That's how it works here too, lol. Are you comparing 1980s US vs 2020s Europe??? You know we have computers here in the US now...
        saubeidl 1y ago
        Every single time I've went to a practice in the US, the first thing I had to do was fill out stacks of forms. I've never had to deal that here in the EU. Has that really changed in the past five years?