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MS Sql Server not even mentioned. This tells us there is a whole world almost totally omitted from discussion on HN: "Enterprise"

diggan 1y ago
> This tells us there is a whole world almost totally omitted from discussion on HN It doesn't though, all it tells you is that it's missing from the headlines in the submissions. "Enterprise" is discussed on HN too, but inside submissions that aren't exclusively about MS Sql Server. Try searching for some terms on the Algolia HN search, order by date and filter by comments and you'll find the subthreads/submissions where it's discussed :)
fullstackchris 1y ago
There is a reason it is not even mentioned
- cheesekunator 1y ago
  And what's that reason .... ?
thewebguyd 1y ago
Oracle isn't in there either, which goes to show how much of a bubble HN actually is considering MSSQL and Oracle are #1 and #2 in market share.
- mirzap 1y ago
  They are perhaps #1 and #2 in the "enterprise" market share, but in no way are they overall #1 and #2. Not even close. Which web app or startup uses them?
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    Stackoveflow
    - mirzap 1y ago
      One. Continue. For each you mention, I can think of 10 other well-known web apps that don't use them. 90% of the web doesn't use those 2. That's the fact.
      - bdangubic 1y ago
        One. You asked for one via Which web app or startup uses them? :) Also, 90% of the web are either cat memes and stupidly insane things like social media and video streaming shit platforms
    - fmsf 1y ago
      Postgres: 51% MS SQL: 27% Oracle: 10% https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#most-popular-technologies-database-prof https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#most-popular...
  - codeulike 1y ago
    Which web app or startup uses them? Well with that question you neatly define the bubble that you inhabit. https://db-engines.com/en/ranking https://db-engines.com/en/ranking ranks Oracle at number 1 and MS Sql Server at number 3, their method being a broad range of statistics based on job offers and web search statistics.
    - jamespo 1y ago
      Yes, this is HACKER News
- bob1029 1y ago
  Nor is DB2. A non trivial amount of HN's personal wealth is being tracked with this technology right now.
  - williamdclt 1y ago
    I'll admit I don't even know what DB2 is
    - saghm 1y ago
      It's IBMs SQL database: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Db2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Db2
- olavgg 1y ago
  I would not call HN a bubble, Enterprises often have unqualified people making "expensive" decisions.
- oefrha 1y ago
  Well, if you analyze programming language trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines you’d find Rust is the most popular language and C/C++ are barely even used.
- morkalork 1y ago
  I used MS SQL and Oracle at my last job, but what's there to say about them? They've been around forever, are stable and get all the same table-stakes feature updates as everyone else. Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive, you won't be running either on your phone or an embedded device like SQLite either.
  - llm_nerd 1y ago
    >Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive While in a way it's just a corollary on the expensive bit, the license compliance of the same becomes such a monumental hassle as well, and is just an enormous time waste for everyone involved. For everything you want to do there's a probing Microsoft or Oracle salesperson trying to shake you down a little harder. Go with Postgres et al and you can be geographically distributing, horizontally and vertically scaling in a million ways, making whatever warm of cold standby or recovery system you want, and so on. Even when the pricing of the enterprise offerings were tolerable, the system around constantly extracting a pound of flesh is so overbearing it induces opposition.
  - hinterlands 1y ago
    I do think it's an SFBA / generational bubble. We have plenty of boring, expensive software projects that someone will always bring up in a HN thread. For example, every time there's a thread on PCB design, you have some folks talking about Cadence. What's there to say about Cadence? Well, first and foremost, it costs a lot. Otherwise, it lets you design PCBs. But there are people here who pay for it, use it, and want to talk about it.
    - xyzzy123 1y ago
      Right but having access to a Cadence license is considered "elite" (it means you are a Real Engineer), while having to use mssql server means you're kind of a schlub (who probably has to work for a real business, that makes money but is super boring, with no equity, among people who don't understand any of this status hierarchy at all).

diggan 1y ago

> This tells us there is a whole world almost totally omitted from discussion on HN It doesn't though, all it tells you is that it's missing from the headlines in the submissions. "Enterprise" is discussed on HN too, but inside submissions that aren't exclusively about MS Sql Server. Try searching for some terms on the Algolia HN search, order by date and filter by comments and you'll find the subthreads/submissions where it's discussed :)

fullstackchris 1y ago

There is a reason it is not even mentioned

cheesekunator 1y ago
And what's that reason .... ?

thewebguyd 1y ago

Oracle isn't in there either, which goes to show how much of a bubble HN actually is considering MSSQL and Oracle are #1 and #2 in market share.

mirzap 1y ago
They are perhaps #1 and #2 in the "enterprise" market share, but in no way are they overall #1 and #2. Not even close. Which web app or startup uses them?
- bdangubic 1y ago
  Stackoveflow
  - mirzap 1y ago
    One. Continue. For each you mention, I can think of 10 other well-known web apps that don't use them. 90% of the web doesn't use those 2. That's the fact.
    - bdangubic 1y ago
      One. You asked for one via Which web app or startup uses them? :) Also, 90% of the web are either cat memes and stupidly insane things like social media and video streaming shit platforms
  - fmsf 1y ago
    Postgres: 51% MS SQL: 27% Oracle: 10% https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#most-popular-technologies-database-prof https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#most-popular...
- codeulike 1y ago
  Which web app or startup uses them? Well with that question you neatly define the bubble that you inhabit. https://db-engines.com/en/ranking https://db-engines.com/en/ranking ranks Oracle at number 1 and MS Sql Server at number 3, their method being a broad range of statistics based on job offers and web search statistics.
  - jamespo 1y ago
    Yes, this is HACKER News
bob1029 1y ago
Nor is DB2. A non trivial amount of HN's personal wealth is being tracked with this technology right now.
- williamdclt 1y ago
  I'll admit I don't even know what DB2 is
  - saghm 1y ago
    It's IBMs SQL database: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Db2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Db2
olavgg 1y ago
I would not call HN a bubble, Enterprises often have unqualified people making "expensive" decisions.
oefrha 1y ago
Well, if you analyze programming language trends through 1.8M Hacker News headlines you’d find Rust is the most popular language and C/C++ are barely even used.
morkalork 1y ago
I used MS SQL and Oracle at my last job, but what's there to say about them? They've been around forever, are stable and get all the same table-stakes feature updates as everyone else. Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive, you won't be running either on your phone or an embedded device like SQLite either.
- llm_nerd 1y ago
  >Start-ups avoid them like the plague because they're so damn expensive While in a way it's just a corollary on the expensive bit, the license compliance of the same becomes such a monumental hassle as well, and is just an enormous time waste for everyone involved. For everything you want to do there's a probing Microsoft or Oracle salesperson trying to shake you down a little harder. Go with Postgres et al and you can be geographically distributing, horizontally and vertically scaling in a million ways, making whatever warm of cold standby or recovery system you want, and so on. Even when the pricing of the enterprise offerings were tolerable, the system around constantly extracting a pound of flesh is so overbearing it induces opposition.
- hinterlands 1y ago
  I do think it's an SFBA / generational bubble. We have plenty of boring, expensive software projects that someone will always bring up in a HN thread. For example, every time there's a thread on PCB design, you have some folks talking about Cadence. What's there to say about Cadence? Well, first and foremost, it costs a lot. Otherwise, it lets you design PCBs. But there are people here who pay for it, use it, and want to talk about it.
  - xyzzy123 1y ago
    Right but having access to a Cadence license is considered "elite" (it means you are a Real Engineer), while having to use mssql server means you're kind of a schlub (who probably has to work for a real business, that makes money but is super boring, with no equity, among people who don't understand any of this status hierarchy at all).