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IF I WANT TO GO US, I HAVE TO GIVE MY BLOOD, MY DNA. THIS IS DUE TO RISK FROM TERROIST. HAS THIS SYSTEM EVER STOPPED A TERROIST ATTACK. AMERICA IS A POLICE STA

by sudmah 14y ago

IF I WANT TO GO US, I HAVE TO GIVE MY BLOOD, MY DNA. THIS IS DUE TO RISK FROM TERROIST. HAS THIS SYSTEM EVER STOPPED A TERROIST ATTACK. AMERICA IS A POLICE STATE WHERE IF YOU DOWNLOAD AND SHARE A FEW SONGS, YOU WILL HAVE TO SELL YOUR HOUSE TO PAY THE OUTRAGEOUS FINES. ALL IN THE NAME IF THE RIAA.

nrbafna 14y ago
This is a wrong way to reason about it. The article appears in an Indian paper, why single out U.S. as the country to compare to? Also, just because other countries have other restrictions (wrong or otherwise), that doesn't justify such restrictions in India. P.S. Avoid typing in all caps. It comes off as rude.
- sudmah 14y ago
  I'm actually quite fed up with people portraying India negatively. Oprah Winfrey has done this and I am surprised at how this seems to be the consensus with the media. Yes India has some issues with policy and infrastructure, however they are trying to sort this problem out. Have you heard of the 4g network that's a work in progress? If you actually read the article you would know that non Indian wrote it. "It’s a police state here in Delhi. Just finding a place with public Wi-Fi is a serious effort, and then they copy my passport." Now hold on since when was India, Delhi. Do you even know what a police state is? "Some want only a government-issued ID. Some insist upon an ID with a photograph. And there are some who have a fascination for your passport or driving licence – nothing else will do. I mean, just to check a mail, which will take 5 minutes, you have to fill in a form (particulars in a register) and submit a copy of a “proper” ID" I live in the UK. I'm 27 years old and when I go to the buy cigarettes. I am asked for Id, only photo id will do. I have no driving licence so am forced to use my passport. Same thing happens when I buy alcohol and at bars clubs. Having to give my id to an arrogant bouncer who can blatantly tell I'm over 18 is greatly annoying. Every internet café I have ever been to in the U.K has CCTV. the owners of the internet café also has to keep a record of all sites visited. Maybe India should take this big brother approach.
  - kshatrea 14y ago
    > If you actually read the article you would know that non Indian wrote it. Dead wrong. Jawed Anwar wrote it, a ToI columnist. He just quoted Soghoian's tweet and used that as linkbait. I posted this article on HN, without the question mark as heading, because this is one headline where Betteridge's law would not apply.
    - sudmah 14y ago
      im referring to Soghoian
      - prakashk 14y ago
        You'd still be wrong. Soghoian's "contribution" to the article is just his tweet cited by the actual author and nothing more.
  - RobAley 14y ago
    > the owners of the internet café also has to keep a record of all sites visited Sorry, but that is just not true.
    - sudmah 14y ago
      Ok maybe not all site but they are encourage to snoop http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uk-police-asks-internet-cafes-to-monitor-customers-1928322.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new... bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18434112
      - RobAley 14y ago
        Virtually no cafe's (by which I mean I know of none and have heard of none) do what the Police are asking in your first link. It is completely optional, and indeed may break other laws such as the Data Protection Act if not done properly and with notice to the user. With regards to the second link, that law is a fair way off and already faces quite stiff opposition. Similar but less intrusive laws already in place which require ISPs to retain certain logs if requested have not yet proved too onerous (and have not been abused on a large scale), and certainly don't interfere directly with most peoples use of the net, at home or in public spaces like internet cafes. This isn't to say that I support the existing laws, I don't, but they are in no way of the same type, scale or intrusiveness as the situation described in the article.
sifar 14y ago
First of all this was not about the US but India. 1) courier companies opening your packages - check 2) problem furnishing address proof if working in a different city - check Having experienced most of these things, I totally agree with the article. The whole premise of stricter laws equals better security is false. These just enable the police to harass the people more. Yes US has its share of idiotic/draconian(or whatever) laws in the name of security. It doesn't mean India should have the same moronic laws. The difference is that privacy is taken pretty seriously in the US while in India people by and large have no sense of respect towards an individual's privacy. BTW, no need to shout (if your caps lock was not enabled by mistake).

by sudmah 14y ago

nrbafna 14y ago

This is a wrong way to reason about it. The article appears in an Indian paper, why single out U.S. as the country to compare to? Also, just because other countries have other restrictions (wrong or otherwise), that doesn't justify such restrictions in India. P.S. Avoid typing in all caps. It comes off as rude.

sudmah 14y ago
I'm actually quite fed up with people portraying India negatively. Oprah Winfrey has done this and I am surprised at how this seems to be the consensus with the media. Yes India has some issues with policy and infrastructure, however they are trying to sort this problem out. Have you heard of the 4g network that's a work in progress? If you actually read the article you would know that non Indian wrote it. "It’s a police state here in Delhi. Just finding a place with public Wi-Fi is a serious effort, and then they copy my passport." Now hold on since when was India, Delhi. Do you even know what a police state is? "Some want only a government-issued ID. Some insist upon an ID with a photograph. And there are some who have a fascination for your passport or driving licence – nothing else will do. I mean, just to check a mail, which will take 5 minutes, you have to fill in a form (particulars in a register) and submit a copy of a “proper” ID" I live in the UK. I'm 27 years old and when I go to the buy cigarettes. I am asked for Id, only photo id will do. I have no driving licence so am forced to use my passport. Same thing happens when I buy alcohol and at bars clubs. Having to give my id to an arrogant bouncer who can blatantly tell I'm over 18 is greatly annoying. Every internet café I have ever been to in the U.K has CCTV. the owners of the internet café also has to keep a record of all sites visited. Maybe India should take this big brother approach.
- kshatrea 14y ago
  > If you actually read the article you would know that non Indian wrote it. Dead wrong. Jawed Anwar wrote it, a ToI columnist. He just quoted Soghoian's tweet and used that as linkbait. I posted this article on HN, without the question mark as heading, because this is one headline where Betteridge's law would not apply.
  - sudmah 14y ago
    im referring to Soghoian
    - prakashk 14y ago
      You'd still be wrong. Soghoian's "contribution" to the article is just his tweet cited by the actual author and nothing more.
- RobAley 14y ago
  > the owners of the internet café also has to keep a record of all sites visited Sorry, but that is just not true.
  - sudmah 14y ago
    Ok maybe not all site but they are encourage to snoop http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uk-police-asks-internet-cafes-to-monitor-customers-1928322.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new... bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18434112
    - RobAley 14y ago
      Virtually no cafe's (by which I mean I know of none and have heard of none) do what the Police are asking in your first link. It is completely optional, and indeed may break other laws such as the Data Protection Act if not done properly and with notice to the user. With regards to the second link, that law is a fair way off and already faces quite stiff opposition. Similar but less intrusive laws already in place which require ISPs to retain certain logs if requested have not yet proved too onerous (and have not been abused on a large scale), and certainly don't interfere directly with most peoples use of the net, at home or in public spaces like internet cafes. This isn't to say that I support the existing laws, I don't, but they are in no way of the same type, scale or intrusiveness as the situation described in the article.

sifar 14y ago

First of all this was not about the US but India. 1) courier companies opening your packages - check 2) problem furnishing address proof if working in a different city - check Having experienced most of these things, I totally agree with the article. The whole premise of stricter laws equals better security is false. These just enable the police to harass the people more. Yes US has its share of idiotic/draconian(or whatever) laws in the name of security. It doesn't mean India should have the same moronic laws. The difference is that privacy is taken pretty seriously in the US while in India people by and large have no sense of respect towards an individual's privacy. BTW, no need to shout (if your caps lock was not enabled by mistake).