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Or more plausibly they never cared and it was just PR all along.

by lasc4r 1y ago

soulofmischief 1y ago
Zuckerberg will never outrun his "they 'trust me'. dumb fucks" chat log. He's a terrible person.
- BLKNSLVR 1y ago
  He doesn't seem to be trying very hard to outrun it either. Facebook is a toxic dump of human unintelligensia and Mark/FB/Meta only ever seem to resist any attempts to disinfect even small pockets.
- bee_rider 1y ago
  He has hundreds of billions of dollars. I think he could go do whatever he wants.
  - soulofmischief 1y ago
    Sure, but like some other founders he's doing little to morally redeem himself for his sizeable role in the normalization of engineering addiction while simultaneously creating a massive surveillance firm in the name of ad-tech. Every bit of lip service about connecting people is overshadowed by "they 'trust me'. dumb fucks".
  - foogazi 1y ago
    Apparently he could not raise math scores at the school So what does money have to do with doing what you want ?
- deadbabe 1y ago
  Why is that a terrible statement? Aren’t you in fact dumb if you just trust some rando’s website on the interent with all the details of your personal life? It’s not even wrong.
  - soulofmischief 1y ago
    Honesty doesn't absolve ill intent.
- mindslight 1y ago
  Many of us did stupid anti-social shit when we were young, especially with computers. The mood of that chat felt like plenty of chats I had with friends, grandstanding and boasting. The sad part is that he hasn't grown as he's gotten older.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> more plausibly they never cared and it was just PR all along That’s still capitulation. When it’s fashionable, they’re one way. When it’s not, they’re the other. It’s not savvy, it’s cowardice.
- quartesixte 1y ago
  A thought just struck me, but I wonder if the difference between the Billionaires of Today and the Monopolists of Yesteryear is that the wealth and power of the Billionaires are tied up in publicly exposed assets (stocks, etc) as well as networked wealth. Make the wrong political move, and people tank your stock into oblivion. But what are you going to do to Carnegie? Not have steel? Rockerfeller says something antithetical to Elite Beliefs? Good luck getting oil.
  - korse 1y ago
    This is relatively well known. Monopolists had very real wealth with a high floor value and controlled large portions of the supply chains needed to build big things that lasted. The Silicon Valley 'elite' of today has wealth predicated on theoretical value calculations of things the world isn't even convinced it needs. Monumental difference, and it significantly changes how these guys operate and what legacy they leave.
- Nevermark 1y ago
  Or the school was just a cynical tool for generating good PR, where “good” means good for Zuck as he sees it in any moment. Did anyone really think Zuck cares about people? After all the past and ongoing ethical issues with his companies? He is consistently looking out for himself. There is no capitulation.
dmix 1y ago
Or they looked at the results and weren't seeing much progress vs their science investments, which also coincided with these billionaire social projects becoming politically unpopular. For ex, from the article re the school: > But former leaders of the school who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private information said Chan had grown distant in recent years as the school’s academic performance faltered. > In 2017, a Harvard study funded by CZI found that by 2015 the growth rate of student achievement in English had significantly improved — but that there had been no significant change for math. > the school met stumbling blocks. Two principals left in its early years, which three former school leaders said made it difficult to establish stability for students. NYTimes said the refocusing on science investment vs social happened slowly over 5yrs and they haven't invested in any social ones in a few years. So this change has been in the works for a while...

Or more plausibly they never cared and it was just PR all along.

by lasc4r 1y ago

Or more plausibly they never cared and it was just PR all along.

soulofmischief 1y ago

Zuckerberg will never outrun his "they 'trust me'. dumb fucks" chat log. He's a terrible person.

BLKNSLVR 1y ago
He doesn't seem to be trying very hard to outrun it either. Facebook is a toxic dump of human unintelligensia and Mark/FB/Meta only ever seem to resist any attempts to disinfect even small pockets.
bee_rider 1y ago
He has hundreds of billions of dollars. I think he could go do whatever he wants.
- soulofmischief 1y ago
  Sure, but like some other founders he's doing little to morally redeem himself for his sizeable role in the normalization of engineering addiction while simultaneously creating a massive surveillance firm in the name of ad-tech. Every bit of lip service about connecting people is overshadowed by "they 'trust me'. dumb fucks".
- foogazi 1y ago
  Apparently he could not raise math scores at the school So what does money have to do with doing what you want ?
deadbabe 1y ago
Why is that a terrible statement? Aren’t you in fact dumb if you just trust some rando’s website on the interent with all the details of your personal life? It’s not even wrong.
- soulofmischief 1y ago
  Honesty doesn't absolve ill intent.
mindslight 1y ago
Many of us did stupid anti-social shit when we were young, especially with computers. The mood of that chat felt like plenty of chats I had with friends, grandstanding and boasting. The sad part is that he hasn't grown as he's gotten older.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> more plausibly they never cared and it was just PR all along That’s still capitulation. When it’s fashionable, they’re one way. When it’s not, they’re the other. It’s not savvy, it’s cowardice.

quartesixte 1y ago
A thought just struck me, but I wonder if the difference between the Billionaires of Today and the Monopolists of Yesteryear is that the wealth and power of the Billionaires are tied up in publicly exposed assets (stocks, etc) as well as networked wealth. Make the wrong political move, and people tank your stock into oblivion. But what are you going to do to Carnegie? Not have steel? Rockerfeller says something antithetical to Elite Beliefs? Good luck getting oil.
- korse 1y ago
  This is relatively well known. Monopolists had very real wealth with a high floor value and controlled large portions of the supply chains needed to build big things that lasted. The Silicon Valley 'elite' of today has wealth predicated on theoretical value calculations of things the world isn't even convinced it needs. Monumental difference, and it significantly changes how these guys operate and what legacy they leave.
Nevermark 1y ago
Or the school was just a cynical tool for generating good PR, where “good” means good for Zuck as he sees it in any moment. Did anyone really think Zuck cares about people? After all the past and ongoing ethical issues with his companies? He is consistently looking out for himself. There is no capitulation.

dmix 1y ago

Or they looked at the results and weren't seeing much progress vs their science investments, which also coincided with these billionaire social projects becoming politically unpopular. For ex, from the article re the school: > But former leaders of the school who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private information said Chan had grown distant in recent years as the school’s academic performance faltered. > In 2017, a Harvard study funded by CZI found that by 2015 the growth rate of student achievement in English had significantly improved — but that there had been no significant change for math. > the school met stumbling blocks. Two principals left in its early years, which three former school leaders said made it difficult to establish stability for students. NYTimes said the refocusing on science investment vs social happened slowly over 5yrs and they haven't invested in any social ones in a few years. So this change has been in the works for a while...