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Yet another example of Apple idiocy (I'm a former customer, having spent easily $100K on Apple hardware). It became clear to me a year or so ago that Apple is

Yet another example of Apple idiocy (I'm a former customer, having spent easily $100K on Apple hardware). It became clear to me a year or so ago that Apple is moving in a direction that is anti-developer. At that time I stopped buying their hardware, installed Linux on the Apples I still had, and stopped writing apps for the iPhone. My life has been MUCH easier since then. We really don't need to be spending any more time dealing with companies like this. We should be collectively writing our own apps for our own open platforms, and forcing them to use the mechanisms that give US control.

indiecore 14y ago
The problem with this is that iPhone users still make the majority of app purchases. It's all well and good to make proclamations about using our own open platforms but I'd like people to USE the stuff I make...
- Joeri 14y ago
  Google are really the ones causing that, because they've allowed piracy to grow rampant on android. Android has a much larger user base, but google's practices have caused android users to get used to getting everything for free, which together with the ongoing piracy means the market for paid apps is an order of magnitude smaller than it could have been.
  - Create 14y ago
    Android should be free (GPL) anyway, and there is f-droid.org for free (FLOSS) apps.
  - notimetorelax 14y ago
    I think that's a trade off you will have with an open system, still since I got my android phone I bought many more applications than I ever did on my PC. Having credit card tied to your store account makes it much easier.
nirvana 14y ago
I find your last line about forcing people to give you control hilarious since it comes after your (false) claims that another entity was taking control from you. Sounds like you got bit by an ideological bug more than anything else. I'm sure the quality of the AppStore has improved. Frankly, after its success we had far to many people "Switch" because they wanted to get rich quick and pump out really crappy apps polluting the store. And of course they bitched about it at the time, every difference was proof that apple was evil. I'm tired of the past four years of Apple haters thinking their uninformed ideological nonsense is relevant simply because they are a "developer" and have Apple hardware. Apple is pro-developer, and unlike google actually practices "don't be evil." But there are people who hate good and will rail against is day in and day out and call it evil.
- timc3 14y ago
  What I am seeing is a large number of developers that have been using platform from before iOS was released growing more and more tired of what is happening from Apple. I also know the a large percentage of business and developers that have relied on Apple consider Apple a risk, or have been bitten in the past and are actively moving away. Would give examples. but my business can't afford to upset Apple either.
- PythonDeveloper 14y ago
  I won't go into trying to get you to see my side, it's clear you can't see anything but the bright shiny world of Steve. When a company demands 30% of your revenue, even for portions not related to the app, and moves on to a track where developers will be forced to have a cert embedded into their app to be on the platform or be blocked, they ARE practicing evil. It wasn't Apple that built their customer base, it was the developers who wrote the apps that brought the customers. Without the applications on the platform, Apple would be just like Blackberry, dead. Now that Apple starts putting all these hurdles in place, like kicking apps because they release their own app in a segment (and disallow ANY competition), despite the fact that an app in that segment has been there for years, it's clear that they are more interested in earnings than building a foundation for developers to earn real incomes. Just back in May, Apple killed a bunch of apps that used the Dropbox API because they considered it an undocumented or third party API. WTF?? The truth is, Apple didn't want competition with their shitty iCloud service, so they limited what developers could do for their own benefit. One example of THOUSANDS out there. That doesn't even take into consideration Apple's insistence on NOT allowing any sort of metrics on unique installs. If you made T-Shirts and a chain said, "just give us the shirts, and we'll tell you how many we sell", YOU would probably do it, but I sure wouldn't. Apple could be skimming revenues from developers as we speak, and there's really no way to know, since we're not allowed to use any static identifier on the phone to lock the app to a subscriber.
timc3 14y ago
Adobe apps are the only reason that I stay on the platform right now.

indiecore 14y ago

The problem with this is that iPhone users still make the majority of app purchases. It's all well and good to make proclamations about using our own open platforms but I'd like people to USE the stuff I make...

Joeri 14y ago
Google are really the ones causing that, because they've allowed piracy to grow rampant on android. Android has a much larger user base, but google's practices have caused android users to get used to getting everything for free, which together with the ongoing piracy means the market for paid apps is an order of magnitude smaller than it could have been.
- Create 14y ago
  Android should be free (GPL) anyway, and there is f-droid.org for free (FLOSS) apps.
- notimetorelax 14y ago
  I think that's a trade off you will have with an open system, still since I got my android phone I bought many more applications than I ever did on my PC. Having credit card tied to your store account makes it much easier.

nirvana 14y ago

I find your last line about forcing people to give you control hilarious since it comes after your (false) claims that another entity was taking control from you. Sounds like you got bit by an ideological bug more than anything else. I'm sure the quality of the AppStore has improved. Frankly, after its success we had far to many people "Switch" because they wanted to get rich quick and pump out really crappy apps polluting the store. And of course they bitched about it at the time, every difference was proof that apple was evil. I'm tired of the past four years of Apple haters thinking their uninformed ideological nonsense is relevant simply because they are a "developer" and have Apple hardware. Apple is pro-developer, and unlike google actually practices "don't be evil." But there are people who hate good and will rail against is day in and day out and call it evil.

timc3 14y ago
What I am seeing is a large number of developers that have been using platform from before iOS was released growing more and more tired of what is happening from Apple. I also know the a large percentage of business and developers that have relied on Apple consider Apple a risk, or have been bitten in the past and are actively moving away. Would give examples. but my business can't afford to upset Apple either.
PythonDeveloper 14y ago
I won't go into trying to get you to see my side, it's clear you can't see anything but the bright shiny world of Steve. When a company demands 30% of your revenue, even for portions not related to the app, and moves on to a track where developers will be forced to have a cert embedded into their app to be on the platform or be blocked, they ARE practicing evil. It wasn't Apple that built their customer base, it was the developers who wrote the apps that brought the customers. Without the applications on the platform, Apple would be just like Blackberry, dead. Now that Apple starts putting all these hurdles in place, like kicking apps because they release their own app in a segment (and disallow ANY competition), despite the fact that an app in that segment has been there for years, it's clear that they are more interested in earnings than building a foundation for developers to earn real incomes. Just back in May, Apple killed a bunch of apps that used the Dropbox API because they considered it an undocumented or third party API. WTF?? The truth is, Apple didn't want competition with their shitty iCloud service, so they limited what developers could do for their own benefit. One example of THOUSANDS out there. That doesn't even take into consideration Apple's insistence on NOT allowing any sort of metrics on unique installs. If you made T-Shirts and a chain said, "just give us the shirts, and we'll tell you how many we sell", YOU would probably do it, but I sure wouldn't. Apple could be skimming revenues from developers as we speak, and there's really no way to know, since we're not allowed to use any static identifier on the phone to lock the app to a subscriber.

timc3 14y ago

Adobe apps are the only reason that I stay on the platform right now.