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Lol at all the people in this thread stressing out about their artificial sweetener consumption while disregarding all the other dangerous shit they do, eat, an

Lol at all the people in this thread stressing out about their artificial sweetener consumption while disregarding all the other dangerous shit they do, eat, and drink. Forest for the trees.

maksimur 1y ago
Maybe they have omitted those because the focus is on artificial sweeteners? As for myself I try to avoid anything that could be dangerous, not only what I eat or drink.
DHRicoF 1y ago
I partially agree with you. But the selling point of artificial sweeteners was that they were a healthier substitute. It's better to teach people that there is no free lunch, and they should take care about the calories they are consuming, even if that imply reduce frequency of sweet foods, than sugar coating an equally bad alternative to make it sound like it's healthier.
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- const_cast 1y ago
  1. Artificial sweeteners are healthier substitutes. Aspartame is truly a free lunch. It's not carcinogenic, it's zero-calories for real, it doesn't cause X Y Z. It's perfectly safe. 2. "no free lunch" is a phrase we need to retire forever. Yes, there is free lunch, we do it all the time. That's why infant mortality was 50% and now it's 1 in 1000. That's just called progress, we make things better all the time. That's kind of what humans do.
mkfs 1y ago
It's even funnier when you realize a good chunk of them are still doing low-carb diets like keto or carnivore, gorging on saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium.
- lithocarpus 1y ago
  There's nothing wrong with eating saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium. I've known people who have diabetes eating industrial potato chips telling me they stay away from butter and eggs and red meat because of the cholesterol and saturated fat. It's backwards. These are natural parts of real food that have been eaten in significant quantities by humans for many tens of thousands of years. I haven't gone as thoroughly into the literature on saturated fat but I don't think I need to. The few studies I've looked at had basic obvious flaws. Saturated fat made up a big part of people's diets in many regions, long before the modern epidemics of diabetes and heart disease. Personally I've been "gorging" on it for ten years now and am in excellent health. I did look at many of the papers used to say sodium is bad and found that that is not a valid conclusion from those papers. Of course don't overdo salt but the problem shown by most of the studies is probably with processed food which has a lot of sodium, not the sodium itself.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    > There's nothing wrong with eating saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium. Yes there is: diets high in saturated fats cause heart disease in the long term. There's a lot of meta-analysis on this, it's very much established. > Saturated fat made up a big part of people's diets in many regions, long before the modern epidemics of diabetes and heart disease. No, no they don't. This is a common misconception. High saturated fats come from farmed meat, which is a fairly new phenomenon. Game meat is actually typically very low in saturated fat, and high in unsaturated fat. In addition, high meat consumption is a new thing. Past 100 years only. Pre-historic humans were hunter-gathers, but almost all their diet was carbohydrates. They ate upwards of 100 grams of fiber a day and little to no meat, because meat is quite hard to get. Even after that meat consumption remained low, up until the past hundred years where wealth and farming allowed high meat consumption. But, even today, you might be shocked to know that most humans globally do not eat a diet high in meat. It's only the west.
    - lithocarpus 1y ago
      I'll bite.. what's the most compelling study showing that saturated fat causes heart disease? (Not a meta analysis, a single study or two, so I can actually look at the methods and results.) Each time I've done this on a given topic I've found that the "established science" is making claims with certainty that are not really well supported. But I'm always open to learning something new.
HexPhantom 1y ago
Modern health anxiety in a nutshell
- Gigachad 1y ago
  People stressing out over zero sugar drinks while still consuming alcohol.

Lol at all the people in this thread stressing out about their artificial sweetener consumption while disregarding all the other dangerous shit they do, eat, and drink. Forest for the trees.

maksimur 1y ago

Maybe they have omitted those because the focus is on artificial sweeteners? As for myself I try to avoid anything that could be dangerous, not only what I eat or drink.

DHRicoF 1y ago

I partially agree with you. But the selling point of artificial sweeteners was that they were a healthier substitute. It's better to teach people that there is no free lunch, and they should take care about the calories they are consuming, even if that imply reduce frequency of sweet foods, than sugar coating an equally bad alternative to make it sound like it's healthier.

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const_cast 1y ago
1. Artificial sweeteners are healthier substitutes. Aspartame is truly a free lunch. It's not carcinogenic, it's zero-calories for real, it doesn't cause X Y Z. It's perfectly safe. 2. "no free lunch" is a phrase we need to retire forever. Yes, there is free lunch, we do it all the time. That's why infant mortality was 50% and now it's 1 in 1000. That's just called progress, we make things better all the time. That's kind of what humans do.

mkfs 1y ago

It's even funnier when you realize a good chunk of them are still doing low-carb diets like keto or carnivore, gorging on saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium.

lithocarpus 1y ago
There's nothing wrong with eating saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium. I've known people who have diabetes eating industrial potato chips telling me they stay away from butter and eggs and red meat because of the cholesterol and saturated fat. It's backwards. These are natural parts of real food that have been eaten in significant quantities by humans for many tens of thousands of years. I haven't gone as thoroughly into the literature on saturated fat but I don't think I need to. The few studies I've looked at had basic obvious flaws. Saturated fat made up a big part of people's diets in many regions, long before the modern epidemics of diabetes and heart disease. Personally I've been "gorging" on it for ten years now and am in excellent health. I did look at many of the papers used to say sodium is bad and found that that is not a valid conclusion from those papers. Of course don't overdo salt but the problem shown by most of the studies is probably with processed food which has a lot of sodium, not the sodium itself.
- const_cast 1y ago
  > There's nothing wrong with eating saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium. Yes there is: diets high in saturated fats cause heart disease in the long term. There's a lot of meta-analysis on this, it's very much established. > Saturated fat made up a big part of people's diets in many regions, long before the modern epidemics of diabetes and heart disease. No, no they don't. This is a common misconception. High saturated fats come from farmed meat, which is a fairly new phenomenon. Game meat is actually typically very low in saturated fat, and high in unsaturated fat. In addition, high meat consumption is a new thing. Past 100 years only. Pre-historic humans were hunter-gathers, but almost all their diet was carbohydrates. They ate upwards of 100 grams of fiber a day and little to no meat, because meat is quite hard to get. Even after that meat consumption remained low, up until the past hundred years where wealth and farming allowed high meat consumption. But, even today, you might be shocked to know that most humans globally do not eat a diet high in meat. It's only the west.
  - lithocarpus 1y ago
    I'll bite.. what's the most compelling study showing that saturated fat causes heart disease? (Not a meta analysis, a single study or two, so I can actually look at the methods and results.) Each time I've done this on a given topic I've found that the "established science" is making claims with certainty that are not really well supported. But I'm always open to learning something new.

HexPhantom 1y ago

Modern health anxiety in a nutshell

Gigachad 1y ago
People stressing out over zero sugar drinks while still consuming alcohol.