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I don't think any of those companies learned a lesson.

by kunzhi 1y ago

sumeno 1y ago
Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before
- fakedang 1y ago
  You guys seem to underestimate how much traditional industry is tied in with offshoring. From retail to traditional banking to insurance, there are a shit ton of industries whose jobs are now in India and the Phillipines and not in the US or the EU.
  - kunzhi 1y ago
    Yeah, it’s pretty clear who knows anything basic about business and who has only spent time in tech.
- palmotea 1y ago
  > Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before Huh? Offshoring is a fairly major component of my employer's workforce, and the US software engineering staff has dwindled (along with a lot of other departments). We moved into a much smaller building recently. Now we work on godawful blended teams with the worse time-zone difference possible (initially projects we either all India or all US, until the power that be felt the need to push costs down further). It's the same at my friend's employers, if they're of any size.
  - reaperducer 1y ago
    Offshoring is a fairly major component of my employer's workforce Your employer is not the only employer.
    - palmotea 1y ago
      I never said it was, but I'm not the only person I know in this situation, and the people in India I work have worked for other major Western companies. I also don't work at someplace like bank, where technology is seen as pure cost, but someplace where the main products are mostly software so its a strategic investment. It just think it's pretty unbelievable that offshoring is a "a fairly minor portion" of the "US Software Engineering industry." It didn't totally kill it, like some overly pessimistic (or enthusiastic, depending on their perspective) people may have predicted, but it would take a lot of evidence to convince me it's not a major part of it.
    - bdangubic 1y ago
      you should look up numbers for this before posting :)
  - const_cast 1y ago
    1. Please don't say "Huh?", you know what the person is talking about. You don't need to feign that their argument is so stupid it befuddles you. 2. Off-shoring didn't go away, sure, but it's pretty costly because you have to constantly translate culture differences, time differences, etc. Also reading code is harder than writing it, so just dumping more people to write code doesn't help much.
- threecheese 1y ago
  Large private SaaS company, non tech hub/normal US large city: 60/40 split offshore/onshore for engineering. Not minor imo. Accelerated post-COVID from maybe 10/20% India which we’d had for a decade. They are gone now, replaced with lower cost coders and a lot more of them. The 60 is mostly farshore, unless you are a high priority project in which case you get nearshore. Rumor is it’s expanding, Vietnam can do copilot just as good as US; requirements are written in English. They’ve started shipping Vietnamese tech leads here under visas, they alone interface between Product/eng leaders and the low-English teams. For all the Merika! I hear on the news, I certainly am not seeing it in the workforce.
astura 1y ago
My first two jobs in the mid 00s was fixing or replacing software that had been offshored.

I don't think any of those companies learned a lesson.

by kunzhi 1y ago

I don't think any of those companies learned a lesson.

Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before

fakedang 1y ago
You guys seem to underestimate how much traditional industry is tied in with offshoring. From retail to traditional banking to insurance, there are a shit ton of industries whose jobs are now in India and the Phillipines and not in the US or the EU.
- kunzhi 1y ago
  Yeah, it’s pretty clear who knows anything basic about business and who has only spent time in tech.
palmotea 1y ago
> Sure they did, or at least the ones who survived did. Offshoring went from the thing that was going to kill the US Software Engineering industry to a fairly minor portion of it with US based engineers being even more in demand than they were before Huh? Offshoring is a fairly major component of my employer's workforce, and the US software engineering staff has dwindled (along with a lot of other departments). We moved into a much smaller building recently. Now we work on godawful blended teams with the worse time-zone difference possible (initially projects we either all India or all US, until the power that be felt the need to push costs down further). It's the same at my friend's employers, if they're of any size.
- reaperducer 1y ago
  Offshoring is a fairly major component of my employer's workforce Your employer is not the only employer.
  - palmotea 1y ago
    I never said it was, but I'm not the only person I know in this situation, and the people in India I work have worked for other major Western companies. I also don't work at someplace like bank, where technology is seen as pure cost, but someplace where the main products are mostly software so its a strategic investment. It just think it's pretty unbelievable that offshoring is a "a fairly minor portion" of the "US Software Engineering industry." It didn't totally kill it, like some overly pessimistic (or enthusiastic, depending on their perspective) people may have predicted, but it would take a lot of evidence to convince me it's not a major part of it.
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    you should look up numbers for this before posting :)
- const_cast 1y ago
  1. Please don't say "Huh?", you know what the person is talking about. You don't need to feign that their argument is so stupid it befuddles you. 2. Off-shoring didn't go away, sure, but it's pretty costly because you have to constantly translate culture differences, time differences, etc. Also reading code is harder than writing it, so just dumping more people to write code doesn't help much.
threecheese 1y ago
Large private SaaS company, non tech hub/normal US large city: 60/40 split offshore/onshore for engineering. Not minor imo. Accelerated post-COVID from maybe 10/20% India which we’d had for a decade. They are gone now, replaced with lower cost coders and a lot more of them. The 60 is mostly farshore, unless you are a high priority project in which case you get nearshore. Rumor is it’s expanding, Vietnam can do copilot just as good as US; requirements are written in English. They’ve started shipping Vietnamese tech leads here under visas, they alone interface between Product/eng leaders and the low-English teams. For all the Merika! I hear on the news, I certainly am not seeing it in the workforce.

astura 1y ago

My first two jobs in the mid 00s was fixing or replacing software that had been offshored.