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> I believe that Microsoft does not care about Gaming those days. I’d be interested in hearing you expand on that! Disclaimer: I work there :-)

by nfg 1y ago

Aleklart 1y ago
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petepete 1y ago
I suspect it's not about Gaming not working well on Windows but that gamers are likely enthusiasts and Windows 11: * is difficult/impossible to install without tying up a Microsoft Account * has ads baked in * is trying to force feed everyone Copilot when most people just don't care * comes preinstalled with bloat It's a pity. There's a great OS hiding in there somewhere. A consumer version of LTSC would probably make gamers very happy.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  >is difficult/impossible to install without tying up a Microsoft Account Gamers probably already have a Microsoft account as its required for games like Minecraft or services like Gamepass. A Microsoft account is needed for Windows Hello to function. >has ads baked in Do you have an example. I think it's more likely the user installed malware if ads are showing up unexpectedly. Gamers are more likely to install malware like this and Windows's security is not good enough to stop it especially when gamers use admin accounts and disable uac. >is trying to force feed everyone Copilot when most people just don't care How is it being forced? I haven't seen it on my machine. I assume people who don't care could just ignore it or disable the feature if they don't want it. Being able to look up help for games using Copilot seems like a feature that gamers may find valuable. >comes preinstalled with bloat Bloat is subjective. Actual performance issues caused by unneeded things running while in games would be. The mere existence of unused pteinstalled applications doesn't necessarily cause problems to gamers.
  - Gigachad 1y ago
    Last time I used windows I kept getting pop up ads for Microsoft teams and their cloud storage product.
  - petepete 1y ago
    > Gamers probably already have a Microsoft account as its required for games like Minecraft or services like Gamepass. A Microsoft account is needed for Windows Hello to function. If I want to use these things let me opt in. > Do you have an example [of ads] There are hundreds or thousands of articles on the subject. Here's one. https://uk.pcmag.com/migrated-3765-windows-10/151992/microsoft-pushes-start-menu-ads-to-all-windows-11-users https://uk.pcmag.com/migrated-3765-windows-10/151992/microso... > How is it being forced? Maybe force was too strong a word, but 'incessantly nagged regardless of previous rejection' sums it up nicely https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/microsofts-latest-copilot-coercion-forced-161229100.html https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/microsofts-latest-co... > comes preinstalled with bloat If I install an operating system and there's a Netflix logo in the application menu when I don't havw a Netflix account and was never asked if I wanted it, it's bloat. When people have taken the time to write debloating scripts it's fair to say some people think it's bloated. https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat If you enjoy using it don't let my high standards stop you.
    - charcircuit 1y ago
      >If I want to use these things let me opt in. This is a case of whether the device should be secure by default or if the user should have to opt in to security. Microsoft has chosen the position that account security should be there by default which is why it's not opt in for using an Microsoft account. I think this is a reasonable design decision to make. >Here's one. An app store recommendation is not an ad. The OS is helping the user find content that they may be looking for. It isn't an ad surface where companies are bidding to show up for keywords. The word ad is used by the article to stir drama and drive clicks. >If I install an operating system and there's a Netflix logo in the application menu when I don't havw a Netflix account and was never asked if I wanted it, it's bloat. But there are plenty of people who do have a Netflix account and Netflix showing up there is helping them accomplish something they want to do with their new computer. You have to understand that most people are not that good with computers and surfacing these things in more places can legitimately help them out.
ekianjo 1y ago
When something is a default, it's not by choice. So people play on Windows because they have a computer running Windows, not because it's made for that.
weird_trousers 1y ago
Reducing costs in Xbox and development partners, the state of the Xbox games submission (and the SDK... as a game engine developer it is the worst and the buggiest of all three major consoles), and finally all the communication and the investment in (crappy) AI from Microsoft and the large reduction of investment in gaming from them. I know this comes from the Microsoft management side, and not from the devs.
owebmaster 1y ago
> Disclaimer: I work there :-) Business dark patterns aren't bugs nor something you can change :)
SleepyMyroslav 1y ago
disclaimer - I work in gamedev. It certainly looks like the only thing that has any attention to it is Copilot/AI. tbh, I don't think community here actually cares about games or technical details to go through lists of topics :)

> I believe that Microsoft does not care about Gaming those days. I’d be interested in hearing you expand on that! Disclaimer: I work there :-)

by nfg 1y ago

> I believe that Microsoft does not care about Gaming those days. I’d be interested in hearing you expand on that! Disclaimer: I work there :-)

Aleklart 1y ago

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petepete 1y ago

I suspect it's not about Gaming not working well on Windows but that gamers are likely enthusiasts and Windows 11: * is difficult/impossible to install without tying up a Microsoft Account * has ads baked in * is trying to force feed everyone Copilot when most people just don't care * comes preinstalled with bloat It's a pity. There's a great OS hiding in there somewhere. A consumer version of LTSC would probably make gamers very happy.

charcircuit 1y ago
>is difficult/impossible to install without tying up a Microsoft Account Gamers probably already have a Microsoft account as its required for games like Minecraft or services like Gamepass. A Microsoft account is needed for Windows Hello to function. >has ads baked in Do you have an example. I think it's more likely the user installed malware if ads are showing up unexpectedly. Gamers are more likely to install malware like this and Windows's security is not good enough to stop it especially when gamers use admin accounts and disable uac. >is trying to force feed everyone Copilot when most people just don't care How is it being forced? I haven't seen it on my machine. I assume people who don't care could just ignore it or disable the feature if they don't want it. Being able to look up help for games using Copilot seems like a feature that gamers may find valuable. >comes preinstalled with bloat Bloat is subjective. Actual performance issues caused by unneeded things running while in games would be. The mere existence of unused pteinstalled applications doesn't necessarily cause problems to gamers.
- Gigachad 1y ago
  Last time I used windows I kept getting pop up ads for Microsoft teams and their cloud storage product.
- petepete 1y ago
  > Gamers probably already have a Microsoft account as its required for games like Minecraft or services like Gamepass. A Microsoft account is needed for Windows Hello to function. If I want to use these things let me opt in. > Do you have an example [of ads] There are hundreds or thousands of articles on the subject. Here's one. https://uk.pcmag.com/migrated-3765-windows-10/151992/microsoft-pushes-start-menu-ads-to-all-windows-11-users https://uk.pcmag.com/migrated-3765-windows-10/151992/microso... > How is it being forced? Maybe force was too strong a word, but 'incessantly nagged regardless of previous rejection' sums it up nicely https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/microsofts-latest-copilot-coercion-forced-161229100.html https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/microsofts-latest-co... > comes preinstalled with bloat If I install an operating system and there's a Netflix logo in the application menu when I don't havw a Netflix account and was never asked if I wanted it, it's bloat. When people have taken the time to write debloating scripts it's fair to say some people think it's bloated. https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat If you enjoy using it don't let my high standards stop you.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    >If I want to use these things let me opt in. This is a case of whether the device should be secure by default or if the user should have to opt in to security. Microsoft has chosen the position that account security should be there by default which is why it's not opt in for using an Microsoft account. I think this is a reasonable design decision to make. >Here's one. An app store recommendation is not an ad. The OS is helping the user find content that they may be looking for. It isn't an ad surface where companies are bidding to show up for keywords. The word ad is used by the article to stir drama and drive clicks. >If I install an operating system and there's a Netflix logo in the application menu when I don't havw a Netflix account and was never asked if I wanted it, it's bloat. But there are plenty of people who do have a Netflix account and Netflix showing up there is helping them accomplish something they want to do with their new computer. You have to understand that most people are not that good with computers and surfacing these things in more places can legitimately help them out.

ekianjo 1y ago

When something is a default, it's not by choice. So people play on Windows because they have a computer running Windows, not because it's made for that.

weird_trousers 1y ago

Reducing costs in Xbox and development partners, the state of the Xbox games submission (and the SDK... as a game engine developer it is the worst and the buggiest of all three major consoles), and finally all the communication and the investment in (crappy) AI from Microsoft and the large reduction of investment in gaming from them. I know this comes from the Microsoft management side, and not from the devs.

owebmaster 1y ago

> Disclaimer: I work there :-) Business dark patterns aren't bugs nor something you can change :)

SleepyMyroslav 1y ago

disclaimer - I work in gamedev. It certainly looks like the only thing that has any attention to it is Copilot/AI. tbh, I don't think community here actually cares about games or technical details to go through lists of topics :)