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You think of CEO salaries. PhD students and PostDocs earn more (or at least equal) in most of Europe compared to even the US top universities. Harvard Postdoc

You think of CEO salaries. PhD students and PostDocs earn more (or at least equal) in most of Europe compared to even the US top universities. Harvard Postdoc salary: $67,600 Germany Postdoc salary: ~$80,000 plus benefits like health insurance

runsWphotons 1y ago
It is about grant money, not salaries.
constantcrying 1y ago
That is hysterical. You know that salaries for most universities are public in Germany? You can just look up your ridiculous lies. https://vertretungen.hu-berlin.de/de/personalrat/tarif https://vertretungen.hu-berlin.de/de/personalrat/tarif The highest possible salary anyone in the university gets is 96k Euros. That is 64k Euros a year after taxes.
- ChemSpider 1y ago
  Did you actually read the page you linked??? It supports exactly what I wrote. Just keep in mind that the latest salary data there is for 2022. The postdoc salaries I quoted are for 2024, of course. Source: https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdoc-or-professor-earn/ https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdo... "Most doctoral positions and some postdoc positions will be categorized as TV-L 13, which can range from about €4630 to €6580 (gross monthly salary). The exact salary is determined by your years of experience." -> €6000*12 -> 72K Euro, ~US$ 80K And that is without including the various social benefits. > The highest possible salary anyone in the university gets is 96k Euros. That is wrong, too. But not the topic of my post.
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  - blueflow 1y ago
    The link your parent posted is current. The Entgelttabelle there was last updated in 2022. Also the PDF's (Tarifvertrag, Entgelttabelle) linked there are the authoritative source for this information - they are the legal document defining it.
    - ChemSpider 1y ago
      We have 2025, not 2022. So it is certainly not current. Inflation is a thing! ;-) My data (see above) is from the same source ("Tarifvertrag"), but from 2024. I am really surprised that PhD/PostDocs earning more (or at least same) in EU than the US is controversial. I tought everyone knows that.
      - blueflow 1y ago
        The controversy is your egregious dismissal of a legal source that you have now edited out of your post.
        ChemSpider 1y ago
        So you are saying the average German Postdoc salary is NOT >= Harvard salary? What numbers do you have in mind?
        blueflow 1y ago
        Unfounded provocation. Get lost, troll.
      - constantcrying 1y ago
        >We have 2025, not 2022. So it is certainly not current. Inflation is a thing! ;-) Do you not understand that the document I linked is the up to date contract? If you think what I linked is getting "inflation adjusted" you are totally clueless about how you get paid under a Tarifvertrag in Germany. The document contains the exact amount of the employee is going to get paid next month.
  - constantcrying 1y ago
    >Just keep in mind that the latest salary data there is for 2022. Haha. This is NOT data, this is the current contract. It is exactly what you get paid. It is the exact salary you get paid there. >Source: https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdo https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdo... Why don't you look at the document I linked which tells you exactly what people working in that university are earning. That is not a guess, not an estimate and it is not out of date it is literally exactly what they are getting paid next month. Instead of talking about hypotheticals and ranges, why do you refuse to look at the document which talks about the exact salaries? This is very bizarre behavior. >That is wrong, too. But not the topic of my post. I literally linked you the literal document where it is literally written what the literal highest paid person will literally get paid in the literal next month. What evidence against this could you possibly have? Unless you have the bank statements of that person your evidence cannot possibly be better.

runsWphotons 1y ago

It is about grant money, not salaries.

constantcrying 1y ago

That is hysterical. You know that salaries for most universities are public in Germany? You can just look up your ridiculous lies. https://vertretungen.hu-berlin.de/de/personalrat/tarif https://vertretungen.hu-berlin.de/de/personalrat/tarif The highest possible salary anyone in the university gets is 96k Euros. That is 64k Euros a year after taxes.

ChemSpider 1y ago
Did you actually read the page you linked??? It supports exactly what I wrote. Just keep in mind that the latest salary data there is for 2022. The postdoc salaries I quoted are for 2024, of course. Source: https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdoc-or-professor-earn/ https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdo... "Most doctoral positions and some postdoc positions will be categorized as TV-L 13, which can range from about €4630 to €6580 (gross monthly salary). The exact salary is determined by your years of experience." -> €6000*12 -> 72K Euro, ~US$ 80K And that is without including the various social benefits. > The highest possible salary anyone in the university gets is 96k Euros. That is wrong, too. But not the topic of my post.
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- blueflow 1y ago
  The link your parent posted is current. The Entgelttabelle there was last updated in 2022. Also the PDF's (Tarifvertrag, Entgelttabelle) linked there are the authoritative source for this information - they are the legal document defining it.
  - ChemSpider 1y ago
    We have 2025, not 2022. So it is certainly not current. Inflation is a thing! ;-) My data (see above) is from the same source ("Tarifvertrag"), but from 2024. I am really surprised that PhD/PostDocs earning more (or at least same) in EU than the US is controversial. I tought everyone knows that.
    - blueflow 1y ago
      The controversy is your egregious dismissal of a legal source that you have now edited out of your post.
      - ChemSpider 1y ago
        So you are saying the average German Postdoc salary is NOT >= Harvard salary? What numbers do you have in mind?
        blueflow 1y ago
        Unfounded provocation. Get lost, troll.
    - constantcrying 1y ago
      >We have 2025, not 2022. So it is certainly not current. Inflation is a thing! ;-) Do you not understand that the document I linked is the up to date contract? If you think what I linked is getting "inflation adjusted" you are totally clueless about how you get paid under a Tarifvertrag in Germany. The document contains the exact amount of the employee is going to get paid next month.
- constantcrying 1y ago
  >Just keep in mind that the latest salary data there is for 2022. Haha. This is NOT data, this is the current contract. It is exactly what you get paid. It is the exact salary you get paid there. >Source: https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdo https://www.research-in-bavaria.de/what-salary-does-a-postdo... Why don't you look at the document I linked which tells you exactly what people working in that university are earning. That is not a guess, not an estimate and it is not out of date it is literally exactly what they are getting paid next month. Instead of talking about hypotheticals and ranges, why do you refuse to look at the document which talks about the exact salaries? This is very bizarre behavior. >That is wrong, too. But not the topic of my post. I literally linked you the literal document where it is literally written what the literal highest paid person will literally get paid in the literal next month. What evidence against this could you possibly have? Unless you have the bank statements of that person your evidence cannot possibly be better.