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> Pine is well suited to its use What isn't well suited for it's use?

justaman 1y ago
Woodworking. Tables, chairs, etc. You typically a want a hardwood for these crafts. However, it you're going to make cheap stuff that won't last... pine is fine.
- nativeit 1y ago
  Hardwood would make terrible construction lumber, which is the point the person defending pine was making.
- hyperbovine 1y ago
  This is a common misconception usually spouted off by “elite” (aka beginning) woodworkers. Pine (white pine in particular) is a great material for woodworking. Much cheaper and more forgiving than harder species, takes stain well, and looks incredible when properly finished. If you think it won’t last, go look at pretty much any barn built over 100 years ago in the eastern US that is still standing. More often than not you’ll find thousands of board feet of old growth white pine inside. Similarly, many heirloom pieces from the same region and period are pine. They used what they had. https://www.finewoodworking.com/2022/06/16/for-the-love-of-pine https://www.finewoodworking.com/2022/06/16/for-the-love-of-p...
  - Loughla 1y ago
    The problem is that you can't get old growth pine, you can only get construction grade pine anymore. I've been woodworking for decades and would never use it for furniture. It moves way too much with the seasons (fine for barns where you can build large expansion joints, but not for my chair), and it doesn't take stain well unless you take additional steps to prepare it beforehand. Also many/most barns used whatever wood they had available. In my area the insides are mostly cottonwood and the outside is oak. That's not an argument to use pine. It's an argument to use whatever you have at hand.
wood_spirit 1y ago
Lots of modern construction is well behind the times. Eg most new residential buildings in England are still brick instead of wood stick framing and insulation. At least they adopted cavities! But houses in England are correspondingly cold and damp and cost a fortune to heat up. If only they imported more pine!
__MatrixMan__ 1y ago
Computers. We put a lot of work into keeping certain data scarce and that's at odds with the nature of a computer, which is much better at making copies than preventing them.

Woodworking. Tables, chairs, etc. You typically a want a hardwood for these crafts. However, it you're going to make cheap stuff that won't last... pine is fine.

nativeit 1y ago
Hardwood would make terrible construction lumber, which is the point the person defending pine was making.
hyperbovine 1y ago
This is a common misconception usually spouted off by “elite” (aka beginning) woodworkers. Pine (white pine in particular) is a great material for woodworking. Much cheaper and more forgiving than harder species, takes stain well, and looks incredible when properly finished. If you think it won’t last, go look at pretty much any barn built over 100 years ago in the eastern US that is still standing. More often than not you’ll find thousands of board feet of old growth white pine inside. Similarly, many heirloom pieces from the same region and period are pine. They used what they had. https://www.finewoodworking.com/2022/06/16/for-the-love-of-pine https://www.finewoodworking.com/2022/06/16/for-the-love-of-p...
- Loughla 1y ago
  The problem is that you can't get old growth pine, you can only get construction grade pine anymore. I've been woodworking for decades and would never use it for furniture. It moves way too much with the seasons (fine for barns where you can build large expansion joints, but not for my chair), and it doesn't take stain well unless you take additional steps to prepare it beforehand. Also many/most barns used whatever wood they had available. In my area the insides are mostly cottonwood and the outside is oak. That's not an argument to use pine. It's an argument to use whatever you have at hand.

wood_spirit 1y ago

Lots of modern construction is well behind the times. Eg most new residential buildings in England are still brick instead of wood stick framing and insulation. At least they adopted cavities! But houses in England are correspondingly cold and damp and cost a fortune to heat up. If only they imported more pine!

__MatrixMan__ 1y ago

Computers. We put a lot of work into keeping certain data scarce and that's at odds with the nature of a computer, which is much better at making copies than preventing them.