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Do you have a citation for this? The only relevant study I saw on the LISTEN website was a preprint of a study showing data on self-reported post-vaccine sympto

Do you have a citation for this? The only relevant study I saw on the LISTEN website was a preprint of a study showing data on self-reported post-vaccine symptoms, but didn’t really talk about causes or gene edits (Krumholz et al. 2023).

mike_hearn 1y ago
It did discuss causes to some surface level: continuous spike protein production, T-cell exhaustion and Epstein-Barr reactivation. And they're investigating post-vaccine syndrome so the root cause there would be clear, as the study authors discussed in the LISTEN press release. It's easy to find papers discussing the problem, just search Google Scholar. Example: https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/prp2.1218 https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/prp... Integration was proven in 2024, unfortunately :( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v... "Of the S1 positive post-vaccination patients, we demonstrated by liquid chromatography/ mass spectrometry that these CD16+ cells from post-vaccination patients from all 4 vaccine manufacturers contained S1, S1 mutant and S2 peptide sequences" They can tell the difference between vaccine spike and virus spike as the vaccine spike was modified for stability. The exact pathway is speculated to have been DNA contamination due to manufacturing process defects. Sequencing of vaccine vials has shown far higher levels of DNA contamination than is considered safe, and the lipids would bring DNA into the cells just as well as they do mRNA making the safe levels much lower still. https://osf.io/b9t7m_v1/download/ https://osf.io/b9t7m_v1/download/
- bratwurst3000 1y ago
  > A significant limitation of this study was the lack of approved testing to 100% rule out previous infection and it is possible the persistent S1 protein detected in the CD16+ monocytes of some of the patients in this study is from SARS-CoV-2 and not from the vaccine. There also exists the possibility that some of these new-onset symptoms post-COVID vaccination are unrelated to the vaccines. The data from this study also cannot make any inferences on epidemiology and prevalence for persistent post-vaccine symptoms. Thus, further studies and research need to be done to understand the risk factors, likelihood and prevalence of these symptoms. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v... But yes further study has to be made.

mike_hearn 1y ago

It did discuss causes to some surface level: continuous spike protein production, T-cell exhaustion and Epstein-Barr reactivation. And they're investigating post-vaccine syndrome so the root cause there would be clear, as the study authors discussed in the LISTEN press release. It's easy to find papers discussing the problem, just search Google Scholar. Example: https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/prp2.1218 https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/prp... Integration was proven in 2024, unfortunately :( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v... "Of the S1 positive post-vaccination patients, we demonstrated by liquid chromatography/ mass spectrometry that these CD16+ cells from post-vaccination patients from all 4 vaccine manufacturers contained S1, S1 mutant and S2 peptide sequences" They can tell the difference between vaccine spike and virus spike as the vaccine spike was modified for stability. The exact pathway is speculated to have been DNA contamination due to manufacturing process defects. Sequencing of vaccine vials has shown far higher levels of DNA contamination than is considered safe, and the lipids would bring DNA into the cells just as well as they do mRNA making the safe levels much lower still. https://osf.io/b9t7m_v1/download/ https://osf.io/b9t7m_v1/download/

bratwurst3000 1y ago
> A significant limitation of this study was the lack of approved testing to 100% rule out previous infection and it is possible the persistent S1 protein detected in the CD16+ monocytes of some of the patients in this study is from SARS-CoV-2 and not from the vaccine. There also exists the possibility that some of these new-onset symptoms post-COVID vaccination are unrelated to the vaccines. The data from this study also cannot make any inferences on epidemiology and prevalence for persistent post-vaccine symptoms. Thus, further studies and research need to be done to understand the risk factors, likelihood and prevalence of these symptoms. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v... But yes further study has to be made.