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Climate Town has an entertaining and informative video on this topic from last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?

Climate Town has an entertaining and informative video on this topic from last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ

toomuchtodo 1y ago
Great comment from that video: "When cars were banned from Central Park drivers whined and now we can't imagine it any other way." Everything is impossible until it is done.
- nurettin 1y ago
  It is fun to observe everything come to an equilibrium with positive outcomes until someone lights the atmosphere on fire.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    Getting a bit lost in the metaphor, could you clarify?
- epistasis 1y ago
  I see this with new apartment buildings in my small, NIMBY-dominated town. Building proposed: "It will be too expensive! We need housing for those making 10% of median income, not for those making the median income!" Building mid-construction: "This building is unbelievably ugly! How could we let this happen to our town?!" Building completed: "This building is completely vacant! Why did we allow this to be constructed? It's just proof we should never build anything again, it's not needed." 18 months later, building fully occupied, lots of happy residents with mixed incomes: Silence, because they are too busy complaining about all the other buildings.
- 0_____0 1y ago
  I heard a similar statement recently, which is that due to the nature of politics, there are decades where nothing is possible, followed by a couple of years where everything is possible, and you spend the former preparing and pushing for the work that will happen in the latter.
- mcmoor 1y ago
  The opposite is also true. We can descend slowly into dystopia and we forget how good it can actually be.
  - SchemaLoad 1y ago
    That was the invention of the car. Public spaces used to be massively better and people went out and socialized more. And now people have forgotten that almost all the problems cars solve today are problems caused by cars in the first place.

Climate Town has an entertaining and informative video on this topic from last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFBn0r53uQ

toomuchtodo 1y ago

Great comment from that video: "When cars were banned from Central Park drivers whined and now we can't imagine it any other way." Everything is impossible until it is done.

nurettin 1y ago
It is fun to observe everything come to an equilibrium with positive outcomes until someone lights the atmosphere on fire.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  Getting a bit lost in the metaphor, could you clarify?
epistasis 1y ago
I see this with new apartment buildings in my small, NIMBY-dominated town. Building proposed: "It will be too expensive! We need housing for those making 10% of median income, not for those making the median income!" Building mid-construction: "This building is unbelievably ugly! How could we let this happen to our town?!" Building completed: "This building is completely vacant! Why did we allow this to be constructed? It's just proof we should never build anything again, it's not needed." 18 months later, building fully occupied, lots of happy residents with mixed incomes: Silence, because they are too busy complaining about all the other buildings.
0_____0 1y ago
I heard a similar statement recently, which is that due to the nature of politics, there are decades where nothing is possible, followed by a couple of years where everything is possible, and you spend the former preparing and pushing for the work that will happen in the latter.
mcmoor 1y ago
The opposite is also true. We can descend slowly into dystopia and we forget how good it can actually be.
- SchemaLoad 1y ago
  That was the invention of the car. Public spaces used to be massively better and people went out and socialized more. And now people have forgotten that almost all the problems cars solve today are problems caused by cars in the first place.