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My windows laptop disconnects my monitor sometimes seemingly randomly. A sign that windows is not ready for non-technical users?

by wokkel 1y ago

JCattheATM 1y ago
Hardly, given the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
- conception 1y ago
  You’ve never had to support windows non-technical end users I see.
  - JCattheATM 1y ago
    That's a silly assumption, and a silly point. By that reasoning, no OS is suitable for non technical users.
    - aaplok 1y ago
      > By that reasoning, no OS is suitable for non technical users. That was the point GP was trying to make (a bit snarkily and sarcastically) in response to the argument that Linux is not suitable for nontechnical users.
      - JCattheATM 1y ago
        Right, but GP is dead wrong. Windows and MacOS are far more suitable for non technical users on average. Mint is great for people that have standard hardware and need nothing more than a browser, but it's still not on par with the big two.
        aaplok 1y ago
        That Linux is less accessible than windows or MacOS may be true (I personally agree with you about windows, less so about macOS), but if an argument is not acceptable about windows, it can't be accepted about Linux either. If both OSs seem to suffer from difficult-to-fix issues when turning monitors on and off, that can't be the reason why Windows is more non-tech friendly. I think that this is the bulk of the argument here.
        JCattheATM 1y ago
        > but if an argument is not acceptable about windows, it can't be accepted about Linux either. I I think it can, because even if there is an issue on Windows, it's likely still going to be much easier to resolve than on Linux, e.g. no editing files, no command prompt, etc.
        justinrubek 1y ago
        I can't really agree with that on windows. When I've had to use it, I've always had gnarly issues that I don't think I'd be able to deal with if I wasn't knowledgeable about computers. Sometimes, even then, basic functionality just doesn't work at all. It's further complicated by the software not giving proper insight into what is going wrong so as to make it impossible to deal with.
        JCattheATM 1y ago
        It can have issues, sure, but there is a reason it's on 90% of computers and has been for 30 years or so - it's still easier than most of the competition.
        hulitu 1y ago
        > there is a reason it's on 90% of computers and has been for 30 years or so yes, bribery and lobby. Remember where Gates went to Munich to "convince" the city council that Microsoft Windows is better than Limux ?
        JCattheATM 1y ago
        No, it's because it actually is easier and more intuitive. Linux is out of the running entirely except for people that need nothing more than a browser and media player. MacOS has a kooky paradigm that people get used to, but isn't as intuitive as the classic launcher menu and task bar approach. Windows had a ton of issues, and not particularly user friendly error messages for a while, but since XP it's been the leader in usability. Of course with 11 they are really doing all they can to throw all that away...
    - conception 1y ago
      No one up to iOS v14 or so ever asked me for help on using it or really fixing it. MacOS passed the grandma test for me and generally requires less user support. But iOS under jobs was a gold standard in usability.
      - JCattheATM 1y ago
        I've found non tech users find MacOS far less intuitive honestly. I do think the Windows paradigm is probably the most intuitive, with a startbar launcher and apps being clearly separated in the taskbar and not grouped together under a bouncing icon.
hulitu 1y ago
> A sign that windows is not ready for non-technical users? No, just normal Microsoft prioritizing features over fixing bugs. I have a "shit_win_bugs" bookmarks folder which is growing in size every 1-2 months.

My windows laptop disconnects my monitor sometimes seemingly randomly. A sign that windows is not ready for non-technical users?

by wokkel 1y ago

My windows laptop disconnects my monitor sometimes seemingly randomly. A sign that windows is not ready for non-technical users?

JCattheATM 1y ago

Hardly, given the mountain of evidence to the contrary.

conception 1y ago
You’ve never had to support windows non-technical end users I see.
- JCattheATM 1y ago
  That's a silly assumption, and a silly point. By that reasoning, no OS is suitable for non technical users.
  - aaplok 1y ago
    > By that reasoning, no OS is suitable for non technical users. That was the point GP was trying to make (a bit snarkily and sarcastically) in response to the argument that Linux is not suitable for nontechnical users.
    - JCattheATM 1y ago
      Right, but GP is dead wrong. Windows and MacOS are far more suitable for non technical users on average. Mint is great for people that have standard hardware and need nothing more than a browser, but it's still not on par with the big two.
      - aaplok 1y ago
        That Linux is less accessible than windows or MacOS may be true (I personally agree with you about windows, less so about macOS), but if an argument is not acceptable about windows, it can't be accepted about Linux either. If both OSs seem to suffer from difficult-to-fix issues when turning monitors on and off, that can't be the reason why Windows is more non-tech friendly. I think that this is the bulk of the argument here.
        JCattheATM 1y ago
        > but if an argument is not acceptable about windows, it can't be accepted about Linux either. I I think it can, because even if there is an issue on Windows, it's likely still going to be much easier to resolve than on Linux, e.g. no editing files, no command prompt, etc.
      - justinrubek 1y ago
        I can't really agree with that on windows. When I've had to use it, I've always had gnarly issues that I don't think I'd be able to deal with if I wasn't knowledgeable about computers. Sometimes, even then, basic functionality just doesn't work at all. It's further complicated by the software not giving proper insight into what is going wrong so as to make it impossible to deal with.
        JCattheATM 1y ago
        It can have issues, sure, but there is a reason it's on 90% of computers and has been for 30 years or so - it's still easier than most of the competition.
        hulitu 1y ago
        > there is a reason it's on 90% of computers and has been for 30 years or so yes, bribery and lobby. Remember where Gates went to Munich to "convince" the city council that Microsoft Windows is better than Limux ?
        JCattheATM 1y ago
        No, it's because it actually is easier and more intuitive. Linux is out of the running entirely except for people that need nothing more than a browser and media player. MacOS has a kooky paradigm that people get used to, but isn't as intuitive as the classic launcher menu and task bar approach. Windows had a ton of issues, and not particularly user friendly error messages for a while, but since XP it's been the leader in usability. Of course with 11 they are really doing all they can to throw all that away...
  - conception 1y ago
    No one up to iOS v14 or so ever asked me for help on using it or really fixing it. MacOS passed the grandma test for me and generally requires less user support. But iOS under jobs was a gold standard in usability.
    - JCattheATM 1y ago
      I've found non tech users find MacOS far less intuitive honestly. I do think the Windows paradigm is probably the most intuitive, with a startbar launcher and apps being clearly separated in the taskbar and not grouped together under a bouncing icon.

hulitu 1y ago

> A sign that windows is not ready for non-technical users? No, just normal Microsoft prioritizing features over fixing bugs. I have a "shit_win_bugs" bookmarks folder which is growing in size every 1-2 months.