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It is supremely annoying when i ask in a group if someone has experience with a tool or system and some idiot copies my question into some LLM and paste the ans

It is supremely annoying when i ask in a group if someone has experience with a tool or system and some idiot copies my question into some LLM and paste the answer. I can use the LLM just like anyone, if i'm asking for EXPERIENCE it is because I want the opinion of a human who actually had to deal with stuff like corner cases.

jsheard 1y ago
If it's not worth writing, it's not worth reading.
- pixl97 1y ago
  I mean, there is a lot of hand written crap to, so even that isn't a good rule.
  - mcny 1y ago
    It is a necessary but not sufficient condition, perhaps?
  - colecut 1y ago
    That rule does not imply the inverse
    - pixl97 1y ago
      I mean we have automated systems that 'write' things like tornado warnings. Would you rather we have someone hand write that out? It seems the initial rule seems rather worthless.
      - deleted 1y ago
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      - colecut 1y ago
        1. I think the warnings are generally "written" by humans. Maybe some variables filled in during the automation. 2. So a rule with occasional exceptions is worthless, ok
      - deleted 1y ago
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  - layer8 1y ago
    That sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent.
  - leptons 1y ago
    >I mean, there is a lot of hand written crap to You know how I know the difference between something an AI wrote and something a human wrote? The AI knows the difference between "to" and "too". I guess you proved your point.
  - meindnoch 1y ago
    Both statements can be true at the same time, even though they seem to point in different directions. Here's how: 1. *"If it's not worth writing, it's not worth reading"* is a normative or idealistic statement — it sets a standard or value judgment about the quality of writing and reading. It suggests that only writing with value, purpose, or quality should be produced or consumed. 2. *"There is a lot of handwritten crap"* is a descriptive statement — it observes the reality that much of what is written (specifically by hand, in this case) is low in quality, poorly thought-out, or not meaningful. So, putting them together: * The first expresses *how things ought to be*. * The second expresses *how things actually are*. In other words, the existence of a lot of poor-quality handwritten material does not invalidate the ideal that writing should be worth doing if it's to be read. It just highlights a gap between ideal and reality — a common tension in creative or intellectual work. Would you like to explore how this tension plays out in publishing or education?
    - idkfasayer 1y ago
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  - palata 1y ago
    > If it's not worth writing, it's not worth reading. It does NOT mean, AT ALL, that if it is worth writing, it is worth reading. Logic 101?
  - namaria 1y ago
    Necessary != sufficient.
- floren 1y ago
  Reminds me of something I wrote back in 2023: "If you wrote it with an LLM, it wasn't worth writing" https://jfloren.net/b/2023/11/1/0 https://jfloren.net/b/2023/11/1/0
- ToValueFunfetti 1y ago
  There's a lot of documentation out there that I've found was left unwritten but that I would have loved to read
ModernMech 1y ago
It's the 2025 version of lmgtfy.
- layer8 1y ago
  Nah, that’s different. Lmgtfy has nothing to do with experience, other than experience in googling. Lmgtfy applies to stuff that can expediently be googled.
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    In my experience, usually what people had done was take your question on a forum, go to lmgtfy, paste the exact words in and then link back to it. As if to say "See how easy that was? Why are you asking us when you could have just done that?" Yes is true there could have been a skill issue. But it could also be true that the person just wanted input from people rather than Google. So that's why I drew the connection.
    - layer8 1y ago
      I largely agree with your description, and I think that’s different from the above case of explicitly asking for experience and then someone posing the question to an LLM. Also, when googling, you typically (used to) get information written down by people, from a much larger pool and better curated via page ranking, than whoever you are asking. So it’s not like you were getting better quality by not googling, typically.
      - ModernMech 1y ago
        That's why I said it's the 2025 version of that, given the new technology. I'm not saying it's the same thing. I guess I'm not being clear, sorry.
        layer8 1y ago
        It’s not clear to me in what way it is a version of that, other than the response being different from what the asker wanted. The point of lmgtfy is to show that the asker could have legitimately and reasonably easily have found the answer by himself. You can argue that it is sometimes done on cases where googling actually wouldn’t provide the desired information, but that is far from the common case. This present version is substantially different from that. It is invariably true that an LLM response won’t give you the awareness and judgement of someone with experience in a certain topic.

jsheard 1y ago

If it's not worth writing, it's not worth reading.

pixl97 1y ago
I mean, there is a lot of hand written crap to, so even that isn't a good rule.
- mcny 1y ago
  It is a necessary but not sufficient condition, perhaps?
- colecut 1y ago
  That rule does not imply the inverse
  - pixl97 1y ago
    I mean we have automated systems that 'write' things like tornado warnings. Would you rather we have someone hand write that out? It seems the initial rule seems rather worthless.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - colecut 1y ago
      1. I think the warnings are generally "written" by humans. Maybe some variables filled in during the automation. 2. So a rule with occasional exceptions is worthless, ok
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
- layer8 1y ago
  That sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent.
- leptons 1y ago
  >I mean, there is a lot of hand written crap to You know how I know the difference between something an AI wrote and something a human wrote? The AI knows the difference between "to" and "too". I guess you proved your point.
- meindnoch 1y ago
  Both statements can be true at the same time, even though they seem to point in different directions. Here's how: 1. *"If it's not worth writing, it's not worth reading"* is a normative or idealistic statement — it sets a standard or value judgment about the quality of writing and reading. It suggests that only writing with value, purpose, or quality should be produced or consumed. 2. *"There is a lot of handwritten crap"* is a descriptive statement — it observes the reality that much of what is written (specifically by hand, in this case) is low in quality, poorly thought-out, or not meaningful. So, putting them together: * The first expresses *how things ought to be*. * The second expresses *how things actually are*. In other words, the existence of a lot of poor-quality handwritten material does not invalidate the ideal that writing should be worth doing if it's to be read. It just highlights a gap between ideal and reality — a common tension in creative or intellectual work. Would you like to explore how this tension plays out in publishing or education?
  - idkfasayer 1y ago
    [dead]
- palata 1y ago
  > If it's not worth writing, it's not worth reading. It does NOT mean, AT ALL, that if it is worth writing, it is worth reading. Logic 101?
- namaria 1y ago
  Necessary != sufficient.
floren 1y ago
Reminds me of something I wrote back in 2023: "If you wrote it with an LLM, it wasn't worth writing" https://jfloren.net/b/2023/11/1/0 https://jfloren.net/b/2023/11/1/0
ToValueFunfetti 1y ago
There's a lot of documentation out there that I've found was left unwritten but that I would have loved to read

ModernMech 1y ago

It's the 2025 version of lmgtfy.

layer8 1y ago
Nah, that’s different. Lmgtfy has nothing to do with experience, other than experience in googling. Lmgtfy applies to stuff that can expediently be googled.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  In my experience, usually what people had done was take your question on a forum, go to lmgtfy, paste the exact words in and then link back to it. As if to say "See how easy that was? Why are you asking us when you could have just done that?" Yes is true there could have been a skill issue. But it could also be true that the person just wanted input from people rather than Google. So that's why I drew the connection.
  - layer8 1y ago
    I largely agree with your description, and I think that’s different from the above case of explicitly asking for experience and then someone posing the question to an LLM. Also, when googling, you typically (used to) get information written down by people, from a much larger pool and better curated via page ranking, than whoever you are asking. So it’s not like you were getting better quality by not googling, typically.
    - ModernMech 1y ago
      That's why I said it's the 2025 version of that, given the new technology. I'm not saying it's the same thing. I guess I'm not being clear, sorry.
      - layer8 1y ago
        It’s not clear to me in what way it is a version of that, other than the response being different from what the asker wanted. The point of lmgtfy is to show that the asker could have legitimately and reasonably easily have found the answer by himself. You can argue that it is sometimes done on cases where googling actually wouldn’t provide the desired information, but that is far from the common case. This present version is substantially different from that. It is invariably true that an LLM response won’t give you the awareness and judgement of someone with experience in a certain topic.